Can matter focus neutrinos in a supernova event?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the interaction of neutrinos with matter during a supernova event, specifically whether matter can focus neutrinos and the potential effects of neutrino flux on the outer layers of a dying star. Participants explore the implications of neutrino behavior in the context of core collapse and the dynamics of supernova explosions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the radial flux of neutrinos could be focused by density variations in the outer layers of the star, acting like a variable index of refraction.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the focusing effect, noting that neutrinos interact very weakly with matter.
  • Some participants assert that neutrinos have no charge and therefore do not interact significantly with the outer layers during a core collapse event.
  • A participant references the idea that neutrinos are responsible for blowing off the outer layers of the star, questioning the symmetry of the energy imparted to lighter electrons versus heavier nuclei.
  • There is a mention of the lack of quantitative analysis and the difficulty in estimating the focusing power of neutrinos.
  • One participant points out that the neutrinos detected are those that did not interact with the outer envelope, suggesting they would not be refracted.
  • Asymmetry in supernova explosions is noted, with a reference to related discussions on neutron star kicks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the extent to which neutrinos interact with matter and whether they can be focused or cause significant effects in the outer layers of a supernova. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the weak interaction of neutrinos with matter, the uncertainty surrounding their distribution, and the lack of detailed quantitative analysis regarding their potential focusing effects.

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The initial flux of neutrinos from a supernova is mostly radial (say we are far from where they are produced but also far below the top of the dying star)? As the neutrinos help blow the top off the star do the density variations of the outer portions of the star act like a variable index of refraction and cause focusing of the radial neutrino flux? If so what might typical focusing power be 2X, 20X, ... times the average flux?

Does the neutrino flux cause an electrical polarization of the expelled outer layers of the star, if so what might the maximum electrical fields be? If this polarization relaxes can we expect electromagnetic radiation?

Thanks for any help!
 
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I haven't made any quantitiative analysis. However neutrinos react very weakly with matter so I doubt if there is any such effect as you described.
 
Neutrinos have no charge and hardly interact with the outer layers of the star during a core collapse event.
 
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Neutrinos have no charge and hardly interact with the outer layers of the star during a core collapse event.

I realize the effect may be very small but reading the following I was under the impression that it was the neutrinos that were responcible for blowing off the top of the star? I'm guessing there should be a back of the envelope calculation for an estimate for this effect. I have the envolope and pen but not sure how to proceed.

http://www.astrophysicsspectator.com...eCollapse.html

"When a stellar core collapses, its high density spurs the creation of thermal neutrinos through a variety of processes. The core itself is not transparent to neutrinos, so they interact and come into thermal equilibrium with the core before escaping. The mass surrounding the core is almost transparent to these neutrinos, so very few neutrinos give up energy to the surrounding mass. The tiny amount of energy lost by the neutrinos to the surrounding mass, however, is more than sufficient to blow this mass away from the core. The most energetic explosions in the universe therefore hide most of their energy from our sight; we see the brilliant light and the high speed of the supernova debris, but we almost never see the neutrinos that carry away almost all of the energy generated in the birth of the neutron star. ...

In particular from the above,

"The mass surrounding the core is almost transparent to these neutrinos, so very few neutrinos give up energy to the surrounding mass. The tiny amount of energy lost by the neutrinos to the surrounding mass, however, is more than sufficient to blow this mass away from the core."

If true the outer layers are given a tremendous kick and it seemed that the kick would not be symmetric between the light electron and the heavier positively charged nuclei?
 
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The neutrinos we receive are the ones that did not give up their energy to the outer envelope, so, I can think of no reason they would be refracted. We know, however, almost nothing about their distribution. We only detect a handful of neutrinos from any given supernova explosion [they don't give up energy to our detectors any easier than they do to the outer envelope]. Supernova explosions are, however, asymmetric. See 'Neutron Star Kicks and Supernova Asymmetry', for discussion.
 

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