Can Nonlinear Simultaneous Equations Be Solved?

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The discussion revolves around the solvability of a set of three-dimensional non-linear simultaneous equations defined by the relationships A = x/y, B = y/z, and C = x/z. Participants explore the mathematical reasoning behind whether these equations can yield solutions for the variables {x, y, z} in terms of {A, B, C}.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the equations imply a relationship where Ay = Cz, leading to the conclusion that y/z = C/A = B, which simplifies to AB = C, indicating a potential limitation on solutions.
  • Another participant argues that multiplying the first two equations and dividing by the third results in the condition AB/C = 1, stating that if this condition is not met, there is no solution, while if it is true, there are infinitely many solutions depending on the choice of z.
  • A different perspective is provided by another participant who describes the equations as defining planes in three-dimensional space, suggesting that the intersection of these planes typically results in a single point solution at (0, 0, 0), regardless of the values of A, B, and C.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the solutions, with some suggesting that there are conditions under which solutions exist, while others assert that the only solution is the trivial one at (0, 0, 0). The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general solvability of the equations.

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The discussion highlights potential dependencies on the values of A, B, and C, as well as the implications of the relationships between the variables. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the conditions for solutions.

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Hi all,

I have more or less convinced myself through trial and error that the following three-dimensional non-linear simultaneous equation cannot be solved. However, it would be great if someone could provide me with a proper mathematical reason as to why this is not solvable, rather than me simply stating I can't do it...

Solve...
A = x/y
B = y/z
C = x/z
for {x,y,z} in terms of {A,B,C} only

Any help is greatly appreciated,

natski
 
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One problem is you have A = x/y, or x = Ay, and C = x/z, or x = Cz. This means Ay = Cz, or y/z = C/A = B (or AB = C, which is all you can really discover, other than the only solution is (0,0,0)).
 
Multiplying your first two equations and dividing by the third gives AB/C = 1. If that is not true, there is no solution. If AB/C = 1, there are an infinite number of solutions. Choose any value for z you like, then x = Cz, y = Bz is a solution.
 
You can also look at it from a spatial persepctive. The first equation gives a plane passing through the z axis defined by y=Ax. The second gives another plane passing through the x-axis defined by y = Bz. The third gives a plane passing through the y-axis defined by x = Cz. The intersection of three planes, none of which are parallel, coplanar, etc., is a point. The only solution is the point (0, 0, 0), regardless of what A, B and C are.

Edited: By only solution, I mean the only solution regardless of what A, B and C are. You can have other solutions that depend on what A, B and C are.
 
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Great, thanks for the help is visualizing that!
 

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