Can People Collapse Wave Functions with their Eyes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of wave function collapse in quantum mechanics, particularly whether human observation, such as looking at an experiment, can cause this collapse. Participants explore the implications of consciousness and measurement in the context of the double slit experiment and the nature of observables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses disbelief that merely looking at an experiment could cause wave function collapse, questioning the metaphor of "big eye, small blurry eye" as a measuring device.
  • Another participant argues that without a precise definition of 'collapse', discussions are prone to misunderstandings, suggesting that 'collapse' should be viewed as a result of measurement rather than direct observation.
  • A participant shares a personal perspective, indicating confusion over the claim that knowledge of which slit an electron went through leads to collapse, asserting that it is the interaction with particles that causes this effect.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding different interpretations of 'collapse', distinguishing between knowledge-based collapse and physical interactions that affect the wave function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views on the nature of wave function collapse and the role of observation remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ambiguity surrounding the term 'collapse', noting that its meaning can vary significantly based on context and interpretation, which contributes to the confusion in the discussion.

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This can't be true!

This guy is talking about collapsing a wave function by just looking at it with your naked eye. This can't be true. When he refers to big eye, small blurry eye he's making a metaphor right? The person and the eye are the measuring device correct? I am going crazy this can't be true. People can't just look at double slit experiments and make them collapse!

 
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Don't get crazy. Easy... As I already explained you in another thread: as long as you don't define precisely what do you mean (in terms of observables) by 'collapse', you can't talk about it responsibly. No such definition of 'collapse' is commonly accepted, so all such discussions always sink in metaphores and misunderstandings.

For me 'collapse' (for those rare situations I use this word) is caused not by a naked eye, but by hand equipped with a pencil.
 


Did you watch the video? I am talking about getting two bands of light instead of several. I am schizophrenic and this guy is telling me that my "counciess" knowledge of what slit the electron went through after observing it with my naked eye causes the wave function collapse! I thought it was the electron/ photon interaction that causes the collapse not the "knowledege" of which slit the electron went through, its just a convinient coincidence that any electron/photon interaction that provides measurable date collapses the wave function not the "knowledege" of which slit the electron went through.
 


Thenewdeal38 said:
Did you watch the video?
Frankly: I got bored after first 2 mins...

All the answers (consciousness, eye observation, apparatus measurement, first photon/electron interaction, many more) may be correct for their respective meanings of 'collapse'. If you use 'collapse' to a measure of your knowledge about the process - I won't be worried by statements that 'collapse' is caused by naked eye observation, reading of experiment report made by someone else, receiving a phone call, etc.

As long, as you don't associate any metaphysical meaning to the 'collapse' - there is nothing weird in it.

If you are worried by 'collapse' caused by naked eye, phone conversation or planet positions at the moment of experimenter's birth, answer yourself basic question: "how may you distinguish between particles ruled by collapsed wavefunction and a noncollapsed one?"

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I see you may got confused by mixing two meanings of 'collapse':
1. operation on the wavefunction, replacing it with eigenstate, as an effect of our knowledge of measurement outcome;
2. 'real' physical interaction (like photon scattering on the electron) - which changes the process, and which leads to change of its further behaviour, which may be described by replacing the wavefunction with its eigenstate.
 
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