Can photon interact with neutron?

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The discussion centers on whether a photon can interact with a neutron, exploring the nature of such interactions, the composition of neutrons, and the implications of electric and magnetic properties. The scope includes theoretical considerations, experimental implications, and calculations related to photon-neutron interactions.

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  • One participant questions if photons can interact with neutrons, noting that neutrons are electrically neutral and presuming limited interaction.
  • Another participant points out that neutrons are composed of quarks, which are electrically charged, suggesting potential interactions.
  • Some participants assert that photoproduction of hadrons from neutron targets is possible, indicating interactions under certain conditions.
  • A request for an order-of-magnitude calculation of photon-neutron scattering cross section is made, particularly for low-energy photons.
  • One participant suggests that for visible light, the interaction is predominantly magnetic rather than electric, while another mentions electric polarizability as a significant factor.
  • A participant provides a detailed breakdown of neutron composition, electric charge, and dipole moment, questioning the ratio of neutron diameter to quark separation and seeking clarification on their assumptions.
  • Another participant notes that no one has detected a neutron dipole moment yet, emphasizing the experimental limits of current knowledge.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of photon-neutron interactions, with some supporting the idea of interactions based on quark composition while others emphasize the neutral charge of neutrons. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of these interactions and the implications of the neutron's properties.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of interaction types, unresolved calculations regarding scattering cross sections, and the ambiguity surrounding the detection of neutron dipole moments.

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I want to know if a photon can interact with a neutron?

I understand that a photon will mediate the electromagnetic force between electrically charged particles (such as electron and proton). This is even manifested in the photoelectric effect. So, I presume when we "see" matter through visible light, it is the photons shone onto the matter are interacting with the electrons bound to those atoms.

Since the neutron is electrically neutral, I am presuming that a photon might not be able to interact with it.

So, this leads to my question. If a beam of neutrons was sprayed with photons, would their be any interaction? Would the photons reveal the presents of the passing neutrons?

(Curious ...)
 
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skeleton said:
Since the neutron is electrically neutral,

Neutrons are made up of quarks which are electrically charged.
 
So yes, photoproduction of hadrons from neutron target are possible.
 
Can anyone give an order-of-magnitude calculation of photon-neutron scattering cross section, in the limit of low-energy photons (visible light, ~1 eV)? Or the ratio of that cross section to photon-hydrogen? IOW how much more "transparent" would a pound of neutrons be, compared with a pound of hydrogen atoms?
 
why not search in papers yourself?
 
Also, for visible light, you aren't interacting with the quarks. You're interacting with the whole neutron, and there the interaction is predominantly magnetic.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Also, for visible light, you aren't interacting with the quarks. You're interacting with the whole neutron, and there the interaction is predominantly magnetic.

That's what I thought, too, but apparently the dominant term is driven by electric polarizability of the neutron: T \approx \alpha E^2, \alpha \approx 1.2 * 10^{-3} fm^3.
 
Indeed.
 
Thanks for your insight.

So, let's see if I understand this right ...

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Neutron composition
1) Up-Quark Charge = +2/3
2) Down-Quark Charge = -1/3
3) Down-Quark Charge = -1/3

A) Electric charge
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Sum of quark charges = 0; thus electrically neutral. Good.

B) Electric dipole moment
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Where both down-quarks are bounded together as a geometric pair (in space),
then this pair can couple with the up-quark to form an electric dipole.

The dipole equation:
e = 1.6E-19 C
q = 2/3*e (1*Up or 2*Down quarks)

p < 2.9E-26 e*cm (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron)
p = q*r

r < p/q = 4.2E-26 cm = 4.2E-28 m

C) Size of neutron
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d = 1E-15 m (Source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_size_of_a_proton_neutron_and_electron)

D) Compare
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Diameter of neutron / Radius of quark separation:
ratio = d/r = 2.3E+10
But, shouldn't this ratio = 1 ?

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It looks like my conclusion (ratio d/r) is wrong. What is my mistake, if so?

Also, my calculation presupposes that the three quarks will be spatially oriented, so as to create an electric dipole. Further, since a neutron can manifest electric polarizability, I believe this implies that the spatial orientation can be maintained over time. (This is all surprising to me since I would have thought the three quarks would all occupy concurrently the same spatial region of the neutron.) Are these suppositions correct?

(Thanks again in advance.)
 
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skeleton said:
TB) Electric dipole moment
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Where both down-quarks are bounded together as a geometric pair (in space),
then this pair can couple with the up-quark to form an electric dipole.

The dipole equation:
e = 1.6E-19 C
q = 2/3*e (1*Up or 2*Down quarks)

p < 2.9E-26 e*cm (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron)

No one has actually detected a neutron dipole moment yet, as far as I know. This is an experimental upper limit, i.e. the maximum sensitivity of experiments done to date. It means that the neutron could have a dipole moment less than this value but we would not have been able to detect it.

As experiments improve, the upper limit on p will decrease, until we actually detect a neutron dipole moment (if we ever do).
 

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