Can Science Explain the Phenomenon of Seeing Future Visions?

[minorwork]

from Huckleberry

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Originally Posted by minorwork
I cannot explain the mechanism and I do not consider this paranormal. You suggest I should?

Doesn't paranormal mean that it can't be explained by science? Why wouldn't you consider it a paranormal experience if you have no explanation for it? Is there some fear of the word, or some expectation that science is currently supposed to have an explanation for everything, or is this a misinterpretation of definitions?

Perhaps in the future, events like this will be testable and explainable by science. Then they won't be paranormal anymore. I don't understand the resistance to this idea. Your statement seems contradictory to me. What am I not understanding?

Primarily I seek a common definition so as to communicate and understand. Yes, I somewhat fear the word. I guess in the same manner as "supernatural." These are able to be abused by those claiming special powers worthy of worship. They are charged words that do not denote, at least for me, a precision in usage. But, a "vision having no explanation" being called "paranormal" only until our science improves is OK with me. As long as some agreement on this strict usage is agreed upon, like I've anything to say about it, I will use it that way. After all it is shorter than "unexplained semi-conscious phenomenon only studied at a later time and from memory with no video or pictures."

 

[minorwork]

My personal conclusions on precog visions/dreams. There will generally be an unfilled parameter describing the reference frame at the arrival of the visions fulfillment.
Examples;
Lottery number seen but not the winning date. Maybe a past winner. Maybe like the movie "23" the numbers are related by some demonic formula to the winners. Which particular lottery not seen.

Unable to recall the vision/dream until fulfillment. (deja vu)

Forsee fathers death of unseen cancer and the father when told doesn't care, calls you crazy and cuts you out of the will. This falls under the category of "so what good was the vision" or the significance factor.

And there is always the slimmest of chances that the vision is not of the future but a symbolic way of dealing with your drinking problem.

Yeah, attempts have been made by governments to get useful information from this area of study but as far as I know the signal to noise ratio is so low that nothing over chance can consistently be shown. Those asking money for courses in precognition or "remote viewing" (the popular term,) are suspect of self fulfilling their vision of increased personal wealth.

 

[Huckleberry]

After all it is shorter than "unexplained semi-conscious phenomenon only studied at a later time and from memory with no video or pictures."

Yeah, that would be quite a mouthful. And you're right, paranormal is a charged word. It's a conundrum.

 

[angel 42]

Hello again, sounds like I missed a lot, I was somewhat busy but I'm back.
Some of you guys asks me about my visions how does it happen, when, is it like dreams, or always about me.….
So, I preferred to distribute "VISIONS" as follows: (this is only my notes)

1-DREAMS: which we all experience them since childhood until now. Off course, it happens while sleeping. Almost you are involving in it 'your vision', rarely not. There could be a lot of fantasy in dreams like seeing a red sea and other stuff like that. Moreover, you can live the fantasy, like seeing and feeling you're flying in the sky, in other words it could break the laws of physics. Another thing about dreams, you 'feel' yourself living it, as if your body and soul exist in this kind of visions. It also could include your past, current or future life.
TIMING: WHILE SLEEP.

2-VISIONS OF THOUGHTS: I don't know what exactly shall I call this kind, which we all experience it (I guess), but I'll give an example:
If you're welling to visit your girlfriend let's say to ask her for a date, you'll then keep thinking a lot and "imagine"((which is here a vision)) her response… I think you got me. It's related to your concerns until you're done with them. But here you DON'T "see yourself" like computer games (as a third person), you may only feel. Think of it.
TIMING: BETWEEN THINKING OF SOMETHING IMPORTANT UNTILL DEALING WITH IT.

3-VISIONS OF MEMORY: this is when you remember someone as an old friend or so, then you'll start to "remind"((which is here a vision)) yourself the old days. Clearly, this kind of visions is only about your past, again you only can feel yourself but not seeing it.
TIMING: WHENEVER YOU REMEMBER AN EVENT OF YOUR LIFE.

4-VISIONS OF FUTURE: this is happening when thinking randomly. Nothing precisely concerns or disturbs your thoughts. It could be when you carelessly watch the TV or while doing "carelessly" whatever activity. The vision jumped to your mind, you see it as if you are a cinematographer like I described above {like computer games (as a third person)}. Here you don't feel at all only see yourself, as if your soul is watching your body, you're also involve in the vision. [May be the reason behind this unfeeling is you don't experience this situation yet, so the unconsciousness don't know what kind of feeling shall it tied with this vision…maybe]. You're awake when see this kind of visions you also may comment at your vision like the one I gave as an example previously in this thread. And it's always about something in the future but you don't never know when. After, when it happen, it happens exactly the same[let's say from the first scene to the last one exactly the same BUT HERE YOU FEEL YOURSELF].
TIMING: NON.

5-VISIONS OF THE FUTURE CAN BE CONTROLED: here it's the same as 4, but here you relies earlier that you saw this as a vision while it's still happening (unlike 4), so you could change some of what you knew that will happen next!
TIMING: NON.
I tried my best to discribe this, my main point is 4 and 5, hope it'll make things clear.

 

[chiralc]

Seizures?

Sounds a bit like simple partial seizures. You may be fully conscious, but experience feelings of deja vu with visual hallucinations or other sensations.

 

[minorwork]

Since my post #14 of this thread, it has come to my attention that Concentration by Ernest Wood is available on line at http://www.theosophical.ca/ConcentrationEW.htm"
This is a great opportunity.

 

[keinve]

well, it is probably these 'visions' can be mostly self-fullfilling. the more you start to think they are real, the more you will start to follow through with them subconsciously.

 

[minorwork]

And the "deja vu" experiences can generate convictions for previous visions. These experiences, because of their everyday nature, can be classed "deja vu." Visions of space alien abductations beg for another classification.

 

[muggle]

Hello, I have had visions exactly as you describe. I have had visions since I was 5 or 6 years old. They have come in varying lengths. Most are in the form of seeing the event and then experiencing that exact same event in minute detail years later. Some however, have been in the form of knowledge that I could not possibly have, I knew things that would be impossible for me to know through any logical way.
I will spare the none believers the details.
I look at it this way, If the world operated without eye sight as a common sense that the vast majority of humans shared, then those who were able to see via eye sight would be mocked, disbelieved and at best not understood.
There is a critical mass of humans on the Earth who now have the ability of Visions and other senses that many humans alive today do not share.
This does not make the experience any less valid. If most people are unable to understand visions, then we simply have to study it ourselves and find the answers to how it works so that more people can experience it.
Both of my children have it, and more and more people are getting the ability by birth.
It is nothing to fear --- and it is nothing to deny.
I do not have many resources on the subject, but Depak Chopra, the Dali Lama, and numerous religions accept it as reality.
I will begin to read some of the books suggested by other people posting and see if I can learn more.
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[Ivan Seeking]

Hi muggle,

You are welcome to share your personal experiences, but you need to provide supporting evidence in the form of credible data to show that claims of visions are on the rise generally. Also, note that your experiences, even if true, do not validate the claims of others.

 

[minorwork]

Welcome, Muggle.

The word "vision" is so broad that it begs for some kind of taxonomic breakdown. Like life. Life forms are generally talked of as the "tree of life" though other configurations are now in the mix, the spiral for example. But as life is better understood by a classification system I believe that inner, private, subjective experiences benefits by this treatment. Sadly, becuse of religion's claims to ownership of these inner experiences, the student will spend most of his time investigating systems that offer explanations compatible with the students personal upbringing/life/biases, instead of choosing and proceeding to advanced work. Can't be helped as far as I know. The system must be compatible with the student.

Your readings should give some indication of the work being done in the classification of visions. Keep a journal by the bed. Document and test. Go for the Lottery. A win, with some verifiable evidence of intentional vision production and the techniques used, will go a long way to gaining respect from the objective sciences. Might destroy the Lottery but, hey, it's all in the name of science. Right?

 

[minorwork]

Objective evidence, for what it's worth, is being teased in front of us for the visions known as "out of body." http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/10/06/near-death-brain.html" .

I've seen nothing yet that relates the phenomena above to that of the recently measured http://www.technologyreview.com/Biotech/19841/" .

Objective phenomenal descriptions are fine, but what is the subjective vision of that moment before death? There have been such descriptions from accident scenes and operating rooms. Can these subjective out of body experiences be replicated in the lab while being monitored by fMRI for analysis or like the first link by eeg tracings? Then could a training regimen be developed that would enable those with interest, a means to experience the vision of death without dying? Yes. Would this be a threat to religious ownership in the field of visions? A threat, surely. But if a healthy body and a reduction of stress are necessary, then clearing the conscience and establishing an encompassing system by which to interpret the visions would be a healthy thing. If the base system was one embracing UFO abductions, well, I'd have to balk. My mental blocks. A broad knowledge of a lot of systems is best. Knowledge preparation-wise, a "full belly" would be advantageous to prevent fanaticism to a single system.