Can small changes in fundamental constants affect the properties of water?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of small changes in fundamental constants on the properties of water, particularly through the lens of matrix perturbation theory and Hamiltonian operators. Participants explore the implications of perturbations in finite and infinite-dimensional spaces, as well as the anthropic principle related to the unique properties of water.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that eigenvalues of a matrix may not be stable with respect to small changes in matrix elements, raising questions about the implications for thermodynamic properties when perturbing a Hamiltonian operator.
  • Another participant emphasizes the difficulty in defining "small perturbation" for operators in infinite-dimensional spaces, noting that traditional approaches in finite dimensions may not apply.
  • Concerns are raised about the existence of Hamiltonians in different Hilbert spaces and the lack of a smooth limit for the spectrum as perturbations approach zero.
  • A later reply discusses the need for necessary and sufficient conditions for a smooth limit of the spectrum and eigenstates in the context of perturbed Hamiltonians.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability of eigenvalues under perturbations, particularly in infinite-dimensional cases. There is no consensus on the implications of small changes in fundamental constants for the properties of water or the conditions required for smooth limits in spectral analysis.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of perturbations, the challenges of applying finite-dimensional results to infinite-dimensional cases, and unresolved mathematical conditions for spectral limits.

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Suppose we have a matrix A that has eigenvalues λ1, λ2, λ3,... Matrix B is a matrix that has "very small" matrix elements. Then we could expect that the eigenvalues of sum matrix A + B would be very close to the eigenvalues λi. But this is not the case. The eigenvalues of a matrix are not necessarily stable with respect to small changes in the matrix elements, and a relatively small change in them could displace the eigenvalues considerably in the complex plane. This is because the eigenvalues are the zeroes of characteristic polynomial, and the roots of a polynomial are not always stable with respect to small changes in the coefficients of its terms.

For hermitian matrices one can prove (AFAIK) a theorem that states that a small perturbation that keeps the matrix hermitian causes a correspondingly small change in the eigenvalues.

Does this property also always hold in the infinite-dimensional case, i.e. finding the eigenvalues of a hermitian operator acting in Hilbert space? Suppose we have a hamiltonian operator for a macroscopic system of very many (like NA) particles interacting by the Lennard-Jones potential for example. Does a small change in the LJ parameters necessarily result in a small change in the predicted thermodynamic properties of the system?

I was reading about the anthropic principle and an article listed the lower density of ice as compared to the density of liquid water as an "anthropic coincidence". Is it possible that a very small change in values of fundamental constants (Planck constant, elementary charge,...) could remove this special property of water?
 
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I think the problem is how to define "small perturbation" for an operator. This cannot be done by looking at a small parameter only. In the finite dimensional example one could write A+B = A+εb with small ε and study the solutions λ(ε) of |A+εb - λ1| = 0 as functions of ε for small ε≈0.

In the infinite dimensional example I don't see a general approach. Look the Hamiltonians H = p2 and H(ε) = p2 + εx2. They do not even exist in the same Hilbert space, and there is no smooth limit ε → 0 for the spectrum.
 
tom.stoer said:
Look the Hamiltonians H = p2 and H(ε) = p2 + εx2. They do not even exist in the same Hilbert space, and there is no smooth limit ε → 0 for the spectrum.

Yeah, when ε=0 the spectrum is continuum and otherwise its discrete...
 
So for an Hamiltonian H(ε) = H0 + ε H' we have to find necessary and sufficient conditions for a smooth limit ε → 0 for spectrum and eigenstates.
 

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