Can someone explain Euler angles?

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The discussion centers on the concept of "Euler angles," exploring their definition, properties, and distinctions from related concepts such as Tait-Bryan angles. Participants examine the mathematical representation of these rotations and their implications in three-dimensional space, including the order of operations and the context in which these terms are used.

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  • One participant describes Euler rotations as composed of matrices that rotate around the same axis twice, questioning the implications of this for devices like gyroscopes.
  • Another participant notes that rotations in three-space do not commute, emphasizing that the values of Euler angles depend on both the axes and the order of rotations.
  • There is mention of Tait-Bryan angles being referred to as "Euler angles" in some contexts, with a quote highlighting the lack of a universal definition for the term.
  • A later reply suggests that the consensus is that Euler angles refer to any three ordered rotations about different axes, while Tait-Bryan angles are a specific case.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the order of rotations in gyroscopes, indicating a misunderstanding of how the sequences relate to the definitions of Euler and Tait-Bryan angles.
  • A reference to Goldschmidt's discussion is made, suggesting further reading on the topic.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and application of Euler angles, with no clear consensus on a singular meaning. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise distinctions between Euler angles and Tait-Bryan angles.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the definitions of Euler angles and Tait-Bryan angles, as well as the implications of rotation order in practical applications like gyroscopes.

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Can someone explain "Euler" angles?

From what I read, "Euler" rotations are composed out of matrices like

Code:
* * 0   1 0 0   * * 0
* * 0   0 * *   * * 0
0 0 1   0 * *   0 0 1

which is pretty distinctive in that they rotate around same axis twice, and makes
sense for devices like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gimbaleuler.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gyroscope_operation.gif

another property of that, as I read somewhere, is that you can combine these
matrices in any order, and it kinda makes sense, again, if you look at the device above
(or does it not...?)

On the other hand, there are Tait-Bryan aka Cardan aka coordinate rotations,
which have these matrices like

Code:
1 0 0   * 0 *   * * 0
0 * *   0 1 0   * * 0
0 * *   * 0 *   0 0 1

that are order-dependent.

I was starting to think I am getting it right, but this article puts it under "euler"
angles (formulas 43 to 54) - what a hell?

Can someone here please explain precise meaning of "Euler" angles?
 
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makc said:
another property of that, as I read somewhere, is that you can combine these matrices in any order

Rotations in three-space do not commute. For a given rotation, the values of the Euler angles depends not only on the axes but also the order.

On the other hand, there are Tait-Bryan aka Cardan aka coordinate rotations ...

These are also called "Euler angles" in some circles. Quoting from the mathworld article:
mathworld said:
There are several conventions for Euler angles, depending on the axes about which the rotations are carried out.

makc said:
Can someone here please explain precise meaning of "Euler" angles?
There is none. All the term "Euler angles" denotes a sequence of three rotations about a set of axes. Most astronomers use the term "Euler angles" to mean a sequence of right handed rotations about the z axis, then the x axis, and then the z-axis again, but even amongst astronomers that usage is not universal.
 
ok, I'm back here after some more reading. looks like consensus euler angles refer to any 3 ordered rotations about different axis every next time, and tait-bryan is just a special case.

someone confused me about the order... in that gyros, rings clearly come one after another, so there is an order. stupid me.
 
Goldschmidt has a good discussion of this.
 

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