Can something exist without time-space?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of existence in a hypothetical world devoid of time, space, and matter. Participants explore philosophical implications, the nature of consciousness, and the limitations of human imagination in conceptualizing such a scenario.

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  • Exploratory
  • Philosophical
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a creator could exist outside of time, space, and matter, suggesting that such existence is beyond human comprehension.
  • One participant argues that for an entity to exist, it must be able to import or export information, raising questions about the nature of existence without sensory input.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that a baby, even without senses, might still experience hunger or pain, which could imply some form of existence or awareness.
  • There is a challenge to the idea that a baby without sensory experience could recognize its own existence, with some arguing that it would not feel hunger or pain without awareness.
  • Participants discuss the difficulty of imagining a world without time, space, or matter, with some suggesting that consciousness itself may not exist in such a scenario.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the ability to describe a world without these dimensions, emphasizing the limitations of human imagination.
  • There is mention of the concept of boredom as a potential experience, questioning whether it could exist in a world without sensory input.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of existence and consciousness in a world without time, space, and matter. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the implications of these ideas.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on human sensory experience and imagination, which may not adequately represent existence in a hypothetical realm devoid of conventional dimensions.

  • #31
magpies said:
Actually aliens might not value pi as much as we do it really depends on how they want to look at the math. And it's also possible aliens might have found a way to work with numbers without using any number above 10 or 5 you never really know :) It is unlikely I agree.

How do you "look at the math" and get a different value of pi?

Primitive societies have developed primitive number systems that only go up to some number such as 5 or 15. This is an issue, in part, of representation, and in part of a limited ability to abstract.
 
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  • #32
avpx said:
This question was bothering me for long time, but i couldn't find the answer to this question.
Try to imagine that there is another world without time, space and matter. World that the human barin can't fully imagine. Can SOMETHING (no matter what) exist in this world? An entity of any kind? An other version of matter which doesn't need space to exist?

well, spooky action at a distance, as it is acting instantaneously over any distance, *may* imply that at the quantum level there is no time or space. Perhaps quantum law originates from outside our universe/reality.
 
  • #33
sd01g said:
Imagining a world with no space is the most difficult. Imagining a world with no time, space, or matter--priceless.
I don't only imagine 'it', I 'feel it' too.

Can you imagine Ultimate State of existence?

Could it be a State of Beingness with highest awareness, purest joy, total peace, utmost beauty and deepest love?

Well, I say yes. And, there is no need for matter, space or time for 'It' to exist, for it's simply pure and complete awareness.
 
  • #34
Boy@n said:
I don't only imagine 'it', I 'feel it' too.

Can you imagine Ultimate State of existence?

Could it be a State of Beingness with highest awareness, purest joy, total peace, utmost beauty and deepest love?

Well, I say yes. And, there is no need for matter, space or time for 'It' to exist, for it's simply pure and complete awareness.

We have a term her on PF for this, yes.

It's called
- gone off the rails
- left the reservation
- cheese slipped off the cracker

or most notably, thread locked.
 
  • #35
Overly speculative. No longer meets forum criteria.

Thread closed.
 

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