Can something exist without time-space?

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This discussion centers on the philosophical question of whether something can exist in a world devoid of time, space, and matter. Participants argue that human cognition is limited by our experiences within time and space, making it impossible to fully conceive of such a reality. The conversation touches on concepts from Kabbalah, the nature of existence, and the implications of consciousness and change. Ultimately, the consensus leans towards the idea that existence requires some form of interaction or change, which is inherently tied to time and space.

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  • #31
magpies said:
Actually aliens might not value pi as much as we do it really depends on how they want to look at the math. And it's also possible aliens might have found a way to work with numbers without using any number above 10 or 5 you never really know :) It is unlikely I agree.

How do you "look at the math" and get a different value of pi?

Primitive societies have developed primitive number systems that only go up to some number such as 5 or 15. This is an issue, in part, of representation, and in part of a limited ability to abstract.
 
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avpx said:
This question was bothering me for long time, but i couldn't find the answer to this question.
Try to imagine that there is another world without time, space and matter. World that the human barin can't fully imagine. Can SOMETHING (no matter what) exist in this world? An entity of any kind? An other version of matter which doesn't need space to exist?

well, spooky action at a distance, as it is acting instantaneously over any distance, *may* imply that at the quantum level there is no time or space. Perhaps quantum law originates from outside our universe/reality.
 
  • #33
sd01g said:
Imagining a world with no space is the most difficult. Imagining a world with no time, space, or matter--priceless.
I don't only imagine 'it', I 'feel it' too.

Can you imagine Ultimate State of existence?

Could it be a State of Beingness with highest awareness, purest joy, total peace, utmost beauty and deepest love?

Well, I say yes. And, there is no need for matter, space or time for 'It' to exist, for it's simply pure and complete awareness.
 
  • #34
Boy@n said:
I don't only imagine 'it', I 'feel it' too.

Can you imagine Ultimate State of existence?

Could it be a State of Beingness with highest awareness, purest joy, total peace, utmost beauty and deepest love?

Well, I say yes. And, there is no need for matter, space or time for 'It' to exist, for it's simply pure and complete awareness.

We have a term her on PF for this, yes.

It's called
- gone off the rails
- left the reservation
- cheese slipped off the cracker

or most notably, thread locked.
 
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Overly speculative. No longer meets forum criteria.

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