Can something exist without time-space?

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The discussion centers on the philosophical question of whether something can exist without time, space, and matter. Participants explore the limitations of human imagination in conceptualizing a world devoid of these elements, suggesting that consciousness and existence are tied to the ability to perceive change and receive information. The idea of a perfect entity existing in such a world is debated, with implications on the nature of existence and interaction. The conversation also touches on the example of a baby lacking sensory input, questioning its awareness of existence without external stimuli. Ultimately, the dialogue reflects on the intricate relationship between existence, perception, and the fundamental nature of reality.
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magpies said:
Actually aliens might not value pi as much as we do it really depends on how they want to look at the math. And it's also possible aliens might have found a way to work with numbers without using any number above 10 or 5 you never really know :) It is unlikely I agree.

How do you "look at the math" and get a different value of pi?

Primitive societies have developed primitive number systems that only go up to some number such as 5 or 15. This is an issue, in part, of representation, and in part of a limited ability to abstract.
 
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avpx said:
This question was bothering me for long time, but i couldn't find the answer to this question.
Try to imagine that there is another world without time, space and matter. World that the human barin can't fully imagine. Can SOMETHING (no matter what) exist in this world? An entity of any kind? An other version of matter which doesn't need space to exist?

well, spooky action at a distance, as it is acting instantaneously over any distance, *may* imply that at the quantum level there is no time or space. Perhaps quantum law originates from outside our universe/reality.
 
  • #33
sd01g said:
Imagining a world with no space is the most difficult. Imagining a world with no time, space, or matter--priceless.
I don't only imagine 'it', I 'feel it' too.

Can you imagine Ultimate State of Existance?

Could it be a State of Beingness with highest awareness, purest joy, total peace, utmost beauty and deepest love?

Well, I say yes. And, there is no need for matter, space or time for 'It' to exist, for it's simply pure and complete awareness.
 
  • #34
Boy@n said:
I don't only imagine 'it', I 'feel it' too.

Can you imagine Ultimate State of Existance?

Could it be a State of Beingness with highest awareness, purest joy, total peace, utmost beauty and deepest love?

Well, I say yes. And, there is no need for matter, space or time for 'It' to exist, for it's simply pure and complete awareness.

We have a term her on PF for this, yes.

It's called
- gone off the rails
- left the reservation
- cheese slipped off the cracker

or most notably, thread locked.
 
  • #35
Overly speculative. No longer meets forum criteria.

Thread closed.
 

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