Can Stirling's Formula Derive the Normal Distribution from the Binomial?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the normal distribution from the binomial distribution using Stirling's formula. The binomial distribution is expressed as P(m)=\frac{n!}{(n-m)!m!}p^m(1-p)^{n-m}, while Stirling's approximation for n! is n!=n^n e^{-n} \sqrt{2\pi n}. The participant encounters an extra term linear in m-np during the derivation, which complicates the transition to the normal distribution. The central limit theorem is suggested as a potential solution to this issue.

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I want to show that the binomial distribution:

P(m)=\frac{n!}{(n-m)!m!}p^m(1-p)^{n-m}

using Stirling's formula:

n!=n^n e^{-n} \sqrt{2\pi n}

reduces to the normal distribution:

P(m)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi n}} \frac{1}{\sqrt{p(1-p)}}<br /> <br /> exp[-\frac{1}{2}\frac{(m-np)^2}{np(1-p)}]<br />

Unfortunately, I keep on getting an extra term linear in m-np:

exp[\frac{m-np}{2n}\frac{2p-1}{(1-p)p}]

This term is zero if p=1/2, but I want to show that the binomial distribution reduces to the normal distribution for any probability p.

Has anyone else had this problem, as I'm sure this derivation is fairly common?
 
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It would help to show your derivation in detail. In any case the central limit theorem could be used.
 
mathman said:
It would help to show your derivation in detail. In any case the central limit theorem could be used.

Sure. It's a little bit lengthy though, so it might take some work to read it:

<br /> P(m)=\frac{\sqrt{2 \pi n}n^ne^{-n}}{\sqrt{2 \pi m}m^me^{-m}*\sqrt{2 \pi (n-m)}(n-m)^{(n-m)}e^{-(n-m)}}p^m(1-p)^{n-m}=<br /> <br /> \frac{n^{n+1}}{\sqrt{2 \pi n}*m^{m+\frac{1}{2}}*(n-m)^{(n-m)+\frac{1}{2}}}p^m(1-p)^{n-m}<br />

\frac{n^{n+1}}{\sqrt{2 \pi n}*m^{m+\frac{1}{2}}*(n-m)^{(n-m)+\frac{1}{2}}}p^m(1-p)^{n-m}=<br /> <br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi n}} \exp[\log[\frac{n^{n+1}}{m^{m+\frac{1}{2}}*(n-m)^{(n-m)+\frac{1}{2}}}p^m(1-p)^{n-m}]]<br />


\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi n}} \exp(\log[\frac{n^{n+1}}{m^{m+\frac{1}{2}}*(n-m)^{(n-m)+\frac{1}{2}}}p^m(1-p)^{n-m}]]=<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi n}}\exp[(n+1) \log n -(m+^1/_2) \log m <br />

-(n-m+^1/_2) \log (n-m)+m\log p + (n-m) \log[1-p] ]

Now I set m=pn+k in the expression, where pn is the average number of successes, and k is the difference from the average, and use that k<<<pn to expand the logarithms in power series up to second order (i.e., ln(1+x)=x-.5x^2).

So for example:

(m+^1/_2) \log m=(pn+k+^1/_2)\log (pn+k)=<br /> (pn+k+^1/_2)[\log (pn)+\log (1+k/(pn))]=<br /> (pn+k+^1/_2)[\log (pn)+k/(pn)-.5 k^2/(pn)^2]<br /> <br />

After keeping all terms up to second order, I get:

P(m)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi n}}\frac{1}{\sqrt{p(1-p)}}\exp[-\frac{1}{2}\frac{k^2}{np(1-p)}] \exp[\frac{k}{2n} \frac{2p-1}{(1-p)p}]

and that last factor doesn't make sense, but I've checked my results three times and it keeps coming out. But if p=1/2, then it becomes 1, and I do get the normal distribution.
 
Just a thought: Stirlings approximation for n! doesn't converge to n! as n approaches infinity. However the ratio of the approximation to n! converges to 1. Does anyone know the situation whe we use Stirings approximations for C_r^n ?
 

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