Can the Born Rule Be Derived Within the Everett Interpretation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the derivation of the Born rule within the Everett interpretation of quantum mechanics, examining whether it can be achieved without introducing additional postulates. The scope includes theoretical exploration and critical analysis of existing literature and proposals related to quantum theory and measurement.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant discusses their paper which argues that deriving the Born rule requires introducing an alternative projection postulate (APP) that is logically equivalent to the standard projection postulate (PP).
  • The first referee critiques the paper for not adequately engaging with existing literature, particularly the work of Deutsch and Barnum et al., suggesting that the author's claims do not sufficiently advance the discussion.
  • Another participant notes that the APP proposes uniform probabilities, contrasting with the standard approach where probabilities are proportional to the relative measure of vector components.
  • Some participants express that the claim of APP being the most natural probability rule for the Everett interpretation is contested, with others arguing for different approaches to deriving the PP.
  • The second referee highlights the need for the author to address previous attempts to derive the PP and clarify where their argument diverges from established assumptions in quantum theory.
  • There is mention of various authors who have proposed different methods for obtaining a probability law from the formalism of quantum mechanics, indicating a diversity of views on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach consensus, as multiple competing views on the derivation of the Born rule and the validity of the APP remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the author's engagement with existing literature, particularly regarding the implications of the APP and its relationship to the broader context of quantum theory. There are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying various proposals for deriving the PP.

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Huw Price

Hey everyone,

I ran across this recent paper [1] (it was posted to Vic Stenger's list) that is relevant to the issues of this thread. "Egalitarianism" (= the APP) is discussed, and Huw seems to agree with Wallace and Greaves that Egalitarianism is "not ... a serious possibility." However, in a footnote he makes a distinction between "branch-Egalitarianism" and "outcome-Egalitarianism," and states that it is only the former that is not a possibility, whereas the latter "does seem to remain in play -- an alternative decision policy whose exclusion needs to be justified ..." I'm not sure I understand his distinction between branch and outcome Egalitarianism, though -- if anyone can explain it to me, I'd be interested!

Huw also describes a very interesting problem called the "Sleeping Beauty problem" which I had never heard of before. It raises a very interesting conceptual method for ascribing a "weighting" to each branch. I won't recap it here, since he does a good job of it in the paper.

David

[1] Huw Price. "Probability in the Everett World: Comments on Wallace and Greaves." 26 Apr 2006
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/0604/0604191.pdf

Abstract:
It is often objected that the Everett interpretation of QM cannot make sense of quantum probabilities, in one or both of two ways: either it can't make sense of probability at all, or it can't explain why probability should be governed by the Born rule. David Deutsch has attempted to meet these objections. He argues not only that rational decision under uncertainty makes sense in the Everett interpretation, but also that under reasonable assumptions, the credences of a rational agent in an Everett world should be constrained by the Born rule. David Wallace has developed and defended Deutsch's proposal, and greatly clarified its conceptual basis. In particular, he has stressed its reliance on the distinguishing symmetry of the Everett view, viz., that all possible outcomes of a quantum measurement are treated as equally real. The argument thus tries to make a virtue of what has usually been seen as the main obstacle to making sense of probability in the Everett world. In this note I outline some objections to the Deutsch-Wallace argument, and to related proposals by Hilary Greaves about the epistemology of Everettian QM. (In the latter case, my arguments include an appeal to an Everettian analogue of the Sleeping Beauty problem.) The common thread to these objections is that the symmetry in question remains a very significant obstacle to making sense of probability in the Everett interpretation.
 
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