Can the nucleus of an atom have an overall “neutral charge”

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The discussion revolves around whether the nucleus of an atom can have an overall "neutral charge," particularly in the context of the relationship between protons and neutrons. Participants explore concepts related to electric charge, the role of neutrons, and the implications of varying numbers of protons and neutrons within the nucleus.

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  • Some participants assert that the nucleus cannot have an overall neutral charge because it contains protons, which contribute positive charge, while neutrons do not have electric charge.
  • One participant questions the interpretation of "overall neutral charge," suggesting that the term may need clarification, as they interpret it to mean "zero net electric charge."
  • Another participant proposes a distinction between "absolute zero charge" and "relative zero charge" in the context of nuclear composition.
  • A participant argues that while neutrons are neutral in charge, they still possess energy and can affect the environment, leading to a belief that a nucleus with more neutrons could be considered "more neutral."
  • Some participants challenge the idea that neutrons have no effect on electromagnetic interactions, emphasizing that the charge of an atom is determined by protons and electrons, while neutrons do not influence the electromagnetic interaction directly.
  • There is a contention regarding the semantics of charge and energy, with one participant arguing against redefining "neutral" in terms of energy rather than charge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of "neutral charge" or the role of neutrons in affecting electromagnetic interactions. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and implications of charge in relation to nuclear composition.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the intrinsic properties of particles, the definitions of charge, and the implications of nuclear composition on electromagnetic interactions. There is an unresolved debate about the role and significance of neutrons in the context of atomic charge.

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Can the nucleus of an atom have an overall “neutral charge” if there happens to be more neutrons in the nucleus than protons?
 
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GOD ENTITY said:
Can the nucleus of an atom have an overall “neutral charge” if there happens to be more neutrons in the nucleus than protons?

Neutrons do not have electric charge and a nucleus consists out of both neutrons and protons, so the answer to your question is a simple NO

marlon
 
CAn i actually have someone answer the question who knows what they are talking about :)
 
Maybe if you tell us what you mean by "overall neutral charge" someone can give you an answer. Marlon and I interpret it to mean "zero net electric charge." All nuclei contain protons, so they all have a positive net electric charge.
 
well I can make one for you, all you have to do is make a choice ...and i 'll let you know the ingredients:

so 1. Nucleus with absolute zero charge...or
2. Nucleus with relative zero charge
There you go Sir, now how may i help you
 
what i mean is even though the neutron inside the nuclues of an atom is said to have no charge, it is still energy nontheless. Its not like it doesn't have any affect on the environment. so considering that it is still a energy just a like proton i am defining that energy that it gives off as "neutral." so if there are more neutrons in the nucleus of an atom does it have a more "neutral charge" than positive. I know current science says the only charge the nuclues can have is positive but that seems inconsistent because it makes it seem as if there is no difference between a nucleus with more protons than nuetrons and vice versa. Thats basically my jist.
 
GOD ENTITY said:
what i mean is even though the neutron inside the nuclues of an atom is said to have no charge, it is still energy nontheless. Its not like it doesn't have any affect on the environment.

What do you mean by "effect on the environment"
Could you clarify this, please ?

so considering that it is still a energy just a like proton i am defining that energy that it gives off as "neutral."

But, you cannot do this since "neutral" applies to charge which is an intrinsic property of particles , of a totally different nature. This is just like
defining to number 25 "as being red" .

but that seems inconsistent because it makes it seem as if there is no difference between a nucleus with more protons than nuetrons and vice versa. Thats basically my jist.
A nucleus with 10 protons and 5 neutrons will interact in the same way, with an electron for example, as a nucleus with 10 protons and 10 neutrons, when you consider the EM-interaction. Only the amount of charge being present determines the strength of the EM-interaction. in QED, electric charge is the coupling constant of this interaction, so...WHAT IS YOUR POINT ?

Clearly, you are confusing semantics here and misusing vocabularium.

marlon
 
Splendid containment marlon! I congratulate you!
 
ok thanks marlon maybe its just my lack of understanding concering this subject but i don't understand how a nucleus with more neutrons than protons or more protons than neutrons or an equal number of each can still interact with an electron the exact same way. can u explain this? as far as i know the charge of an atom depends on the amount of protons, electrons, and neutrons within the nucleas on an atom so how can neutrons not have an effect on the EM interaction. if that's true that's means that neutrons have no purpose which doesn't make sense to me.
 

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