Can Time Be Isolated in a Validated Physics Equation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of isolating time in a validated physics equation. Participants explore the nature of time and its relationship with other physical quantities, such as velocity and acceleration, within the context of established physics equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Henrik questions whether it is possible to construct an equation that isolates time, drawing parallels with the equation E=mc², which relates energy and mass.
  • One participant suggests that in the context of constant acceleration, time can be expressed as t = (-v ± √(v² + 2aΔx))/a, but notes that this does not lead to a new understanding of time.
  • Another participant hints that the concept of the speed of light (c) is relevant to the discussion about time.
  • Another response lists equations such as v = d/t and a = v/t, suggesting that these equations do not meet Henrik's criteria for isolating time.
  • Henrik expresses concern that all provided equations still contain time on the right side of the equation, questioning the validity of isolating time in this manner.
  • Henrik reflects on the responses, acknowledging that the equations discussed do not provide a new understanding of time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that isolating time in an equation is challenging, and multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of time and its representation in physics equations. The discussion does not reach a consensus on whether time can be effectively isolated.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of the equations discussed, particularly regarding the role of time in describing velocity and acceleration.

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Hi.

Just wondering: is it possible to construct an equation from known validated physics isolating time on one side of the equation sign? I'm asking because the famous E=MCC tells us Energy and Mass are two manifestations of the same fenomenen. And I have often wondered about the nature of time, so maybe an equation where "time equals whatever" can be used as a guidance for confused thoughts :-)

Henrik
 
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Hernik said:
Hi.

Just wondering: is it possible to construct an equation from known validated physics isolating time on one side of the equation sign? I'm asking because the famous E=MCC tells us Energy and Mass are two manifestations of the same fenomenen. And I have often wondered about the nature of time, so maybe an equation where "time equals whatever" can be used as a guidance for confused thoughts :-)

Henrik
Of course. Consider an object that moves with constant acceleration. Then, ##\Delta x = vt+\frac{a}{2}t^2##. Thus, we obtain that ##t=\frac{-v\pm\sqrt{v^2+2a\Delta x}}{a}##.

Have we obtained a strikingly awesome new understanding of time? ...No.

Time is often best considered as an independent variable. There really isn't any true way of working with time, since we can't really do any real "experiments" with it. In order to run an experiment, we have to be able to affect the subject of interest. Time does not, as far as I am aware, react to things (id est, in more colloquial terms, you can't poke it with a stick or something to make it do something).
 
Hernik said:
Hi.

Just wondering: is it possible to construct an equation from known validated physics isolating time on one side of the equation sign? I'm asking because the famous E=MCC tells us Energy and Mass are two manifestations of the same fenomenen. And I have often wondered about the nature of time, so maybe an equation where "time equals whatever" can be used as a guidance for confused thoughts :-)

Henrik

Revisit what c is. your answer is already in that concept, which is part of that equation you mentioned familiarity with, not to mention that curious c squared part of it.
 
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Hernik said:
Hi.

Just wondering: is it possible to construct an equation from known validated physics isolating time on one side of the equation sign? I'm asking because the famous E=MCC tells us Energy and Mass are two manifestations of the same fenomenen. And I have often wondered about the nature of time, so maybe an equation where "time equals whatever" can be used as a guidance for confused thoughts :-)

Henrik
There are many such equations, v= d/t so t= d/v, a= v/t so t= v/a, etc. Surely that's not what you mean?
 
Thank you all for answers. It's not going to help me, is it. But just to be sure I'll ask - doen't all three answers still contain time on the right side of the "="? As well velocity as acceleration cannot be described without time?

Thanks, Henrik
 
Hernik said:
Thank you all for answers. It's not going to help me, is it. But just to be sure I'll ask - doen't all three answers still contain time on the right side of the "="?
Were you replying to what HallsOfIvy wrote? If so, I have quoted it below.
HallsofIvy said:
There are many such equations, v= d/t so t= d/v, a= v/t so t= v/a, etc. Surely that's not what you mean?
The first and second equation are equivalent, as are the third and fourth. The second equation gives t as a function of d and v; the fourth equation gives t as a function of v and a.

Hernik said:
As well velocity as acceleration cannot be described without time?
?
I don't know what you're asking here.
 
Thanks Mark44. My math is not very good, so maybe I'm just being a fool. But my guess was that t=d/v is the same as t=d/d/t, so there's still time on both sides, as it makes no sense talking about velocity without the time part of that concept. And the same with the t=v/a,

But anyway - I realize that the point made by Mandelbroth:
"Have we obtained a strikingly awesome new understanding of time? ...No." is a good description for all the equations you have reminded me of here. :-)

Again: Thank all.
 

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