Can TSQM Harmonize Free Will, Cause and Effect, and Retrocausality?

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The discussion centers on the concept of Time Symmetric Quantum Mechanics (TSQM) and its implications for the relationship between free will, cause and effect, and retrocausality. Participants explore the theoretical framework and seek specific papers or resources that address these principles and their potential harmony within TSQM.

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  • One participant introduces the idea that TSQM encompasses three principles: genuine free will, cause and effect, and a form of retrocausality, suggesting that these may coexist in a probabilistic framework.
  • Another participant suggests searching for scholarly papers on TSQM, providing a link to a Google Scholar search that lists relevant papers, including those by Aharanov and Tollaksen.
  • A participant shares a specific paper link, questioning if it aligns with the original inquiry about TSQM.
  • Another participant provides a link to a free PDF that may contain relevant information.
  • A participant expresses gratitude and notes that while they have read a shared paper, it does not fully address their quest for a comprehensive resource that includes mathematical details.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of a definitive paper that encapsulates the relationship between the three principles within TSQM. Multiple viewpoints and resources are shared, but no agreement is reached on a singular authoritative source.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the availability of comprehensive resources that detail the mathematical aspects of TSQM and its principles. There is also a noted dependence on the interpretation of the principles and their interrelations.

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Hello,

A ways back I was reading something on Aharanov's flavor of QM, Time Symmetric Quantum Mechanics (TSQM), which referenced an upcoming paper. To be covered in that paper was the following.

It's been mentioned that within TSQM there are three seemingly mutually exclusive "principles"

(1) Genuine Free Will (of the scientist to choose what he/she measures, or what questions he/she asks)
(2) Cause and Effect
(3) A Subtle type of Retrocausality.

Supposedly, what they have shown is that for these three principles to exist harmoniously, nature must appear probabilistic at some level. It's a retort to Einstein, "THIS is why God plays dice with the Universe!". I thought this was super-profound, but this paper has been a LONG time coming, or maybe I have missed it. Supposedly, Jeff Tollaksen's pHD thesis also covered this topic, but I can't find a copy of that, either.

Here is a video where Tollaksen talks about this, just make sure to click on the free will area with his name and the video will come up.

https://www.closertotruth.com/contributor/jeff-tollaksen/profile

So, does anybody know of a paper, or papers, that specifically cover this? I guess I could try Tollaksen/Aharanov, but thought I would try here first.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Thanks guys

entropy1 said:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0706.1232.pdf

Maybe this is what you mean?

I've read this before and it's the closest I've seen to something being spelled out, without actually quite doing so. You'll notice they repeatedly reference (with the "we have shown" elsewhere kind of thing) Jeff Tollaksen's PhD Thesis, as I mentioned above, i.e. reference [32].

Would still love to see something that brings it altogether with the mathematical details included.
 

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