Can Two Particles in a Vacuum Attract Each Other?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether two particles in a vacuum can attract each other, exploring concepts related to gravity, the nature of gravitational fields, and the implications of special and general relativity. It includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding gravitational interaction.

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  • One participant questions how one particle can "know" about the presence of another particle in a vacuum, suggesting the role of the "graviton."
  • Another participant proposes that the interaction can be understood through field theory, where a particle develops a gravitational field that affects other particles within that field.
  • A different participant raises a concern about the timing of gravitational interactions, arguing that a particle cannot know about another's release until a significant time has passed, which may affect its acceleration.
  • Another participant references Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation to explain that while particles do not have awareness of each other, their gravitational properties cause them to react according to physical laws.
  • One participant mentions a potential issue with the invariance of gravitational laws under special relativity transformations, suggesting that general relativity addresses this concern.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitational interaction and the implications of relativity, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions about gravitational fields, the nature of particle interactions, and the implications of relativity on gravitational laws.

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I've been thinking about this. I don't know a whole lot about physics so I'm sorry if I ask something stupid. If there are two particles in a vacuum, according to the theory of gravity, the two particles will be attracted to each other and collide. But, how does this one particle know that there is another particle existing next to it? Is that where the so called "graviton" comes into play?
 
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Hi there,

Before going into the idea of a "graviton", you can understand this behaviour with the field theory. Just imagine that the first particle develops a gravity field (mostly like the magnetic field develop by a magnet) around it. By placing another massive particle in this field develops a force on that particle.

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I don't understand this. Say you have two 1kg masses 1ly apart, fixed for >1 year, then released simultaneously to move freely. When mass A moves towards mass B, it cannot know whether mass B has been released until about 1 year after it is released, so shouldn't it's rate of acceleration be less than you would expect?

I have studied electrodynamics and it is very different from electrostatics, but I have never thought about the gravity analogy (despite studying general relativity, where the metrics were still static)
 


If the two particles have an adequate gravitational field to act on each other, they would move at a calculated speed. As the distance closes between the objects the speed would increase. Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation states that the force between two objects is equal to the gravitational constant multiplied by the product of the two objects masses divided by the distance between them squared.

[tex]F = G(m1m2 / r^{2})[/tex]
[tex]m1, m2[/tex] = masses of objects
[tex]r[/tex] = distance between objects
[tex]G\ =\ 6.673(10)\ \times\ 10^{-11}\ m^{3} kg^{-1} s^{-2}[/tex]

I think wikipedia has a better representation of the formula than I can do on this forum:
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To answer your question, the objects are not aware of each other the gravitational properties of them merely react to the laws of physics. So if the two objects have the ability to gravitate they will move toward each other at a calculated velocity.

I'm also new to physics so I probably botched this answer, but it's the best I can do.
 


I think I have found some sort of answer, my issue was that the law is not invariant under a special relativity transform. I guess GR fixes this, but I can't quite see how.
 

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