Can You Get a Physics Doctorate Without an MSc in Quantum Physics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the requirements for entering a physics PhD program, specifically whether a Master’s degree in physics is necessary if one has a Bachelor’s degree. The conversation touches on the importance of quantum mechanics in physics education and its relevance across various fields, including cosmology.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a Bachelor’s degree in physics typically includes coursework in quantum mechanics, which is essential for most areas of physics.
  • Others argue that while quantum mechanics is important, it may not be necessary to take a full course on it to understand its applications in fields like cosmology.
  • There is a suggestion that requirements for entering a PhD program can vary significantly by region, with some participants noting that in the US, a Bachelor’s degree is often sufficient for admission.
  • One participant emphasizes the necessity of knowing quantum mechanics as part of the foundational knowledge for physics majors, regardless of their specific focus.
  • Another participant points out that the educational requirements may differ in other countries, indicating that local educational systems influence the path to a PhD.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that quantum mechanics is a significant part of physics education, but there is disagreement regarding the necessity of a Master’s degree for PhD admission and the extent of quantum mechanics knowledge required for various fields.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the variability in educational requirements across different countries and institutions, which may affect the path to obtaining a PhD in physics.

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Hello, I was wondering if a person majoring in physics takes quantum physics classes too, and if a person with a BSc in physics get a doctorate without having an MSc in physics.

Thanks for the help. :D
 
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I don't think that it would be possible to get a bachelor without going into quantum mechanics, it is pivotal to every field you might want to go into. The only physics that don't rely on quantum is cosmology.
 
Every physics major I know of requires at least one semester of quantum mechanics, if not two. You can enroll in a PhD program with a bachelors, but you can't skip the masters coursework, although not all PhD programs grant the masters degree. But they will require you to do the coursework. And even if you do want to study cosmology, that still requires quantum mechanics (observational cosmology often relies on spectra, and you need to know QM to know how those spectra are produced and interpreted).
 
eri said:
And even if you do want to study cosmology, that still requires quantum mechanics (observational cosmology often relies on spectra, and you need to know QM to know how those spectra are produced and interpreted).
I would not call that quantum mechanics, rather just the quantization of light which was the first thing found to be quantized. It do not require a course, you can learn the essence of it and how it is important for cosmology in a single lecture.
 
If you want to do early universe cosmology, then quantum mechanics is very highly important.
 
nicksauce said:
If you want to do early universe cosmology, then quantum mechanics is very highly important.
Aye, but isn't that called particle or high energy physics?
 
I want to major in physics and I want to take quantum mechanics courses, then I want to get a PhD to become a university professor, but i just wanted to know if it was obligatory to have an MSc to enroll in a PhD program.
 
When you ask questions like this, it is imperative that you indicate where you are, or where you intend to go to school. Different parts of the world have different requirements! In the US, you only require a B.Sc or similar degrees to be accepted into a Ph.D program. This may not be true in other countries under other educational systems. So it would be moot to give you any specific advice without knowing where you intend to go to school.

There are roughly three basic areas of physics that practically ALL physics students, regardless of where they go to school, must learn and know rather well by the time they get their undergraduate degree: classical mechanics, quantum mechanics, and classical electromagnetism. So don't you worry about learning QM. You'll have to know it as a physics major whether you want to or not.

I would suggest that you read my "So You Want To Be A Physicist" essay that should cover your questions here.

Zz.
 
It depends on where you go to graduate school. In the USA, one normally enters a physics Ph.D. program directly after finishing a bachelor's degree (BS or BA). In other countries the situation may be different.
 

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