Can You Solve a 2nd Order Non-Homogeneous DE with Varying Coefficients?

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order non-homogeneous differential equation with varying coefficients. Participants explore methods for finding both the general and particular solutions, addressing the nature of the coefficients and the form of the solutions.

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  • One participant presents the differential equation and seeks guidance on solving it.
  • Another participant questions the nature of the variables involved, suggesting that if certain parameters are constants, the equation could be simplified by solving the corresponding homogeneous equation and adding a constant to the general solution.
  • A clarification is provided that V(t) is a function of time, while w and m are constants, prompting a request for further assistance in solving the equation.
  • A participant outlines a method for solving the homogeneous part of the equation, deriving the characteristic equation and discussing the solutions based on the sign of w.
  • Questions arise regarding the choice of a particular solution, specifically why it is assumed that V(t) can be a constant A.
  • Another participant explains that assuming V(t) = A allows the left side of the equation to yield a constant, aligning with the non-homogeneous term on the right side, and provides an alternative approach using a linear form for V(t).
  • Expressions of gratitude for the assistance and the quality of the forum are shared by participants.

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Participants generally agree on the methods for approaching the problem, but there is some uncertainty regarding the justification for assuming a particular solution of the form V(t) = A. The discussion includes multiple perspectives on how to derive the particular solution.

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Some assumptions regarding the constants and the nature of the coefficients are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the justification for the choice of particular solution.

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Does anyone know how to solve this?
[tex]\frac {d^2V(t)}{dt^2} + \frac{V(t)}{w} = \frac{Vm}{w}[/tex]
 
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What is the difference between V(t) and plain V, is V just a constant, and are w and m also constants? If so then this should be a relatively simple equation to solve, because you could solve the corresponding homogenous equation and add the constant Vm/w to that general solution and that should give you the general solution to the equation.
 
V(t) is a function of time.w is a constant m is a subscript of another V but they r constant also.If you don't mind pls show me?
 
You know that this is a "non-homogenous" de so apparently you know something about des. This is pretty close to being a trivial problem!

If you "try" a solution to the corresponding homogeneous equation,
[tex]\frac{dV(t)}{dt}+ \frac{V(t)}{w}= 0[/itex] <br /> of the form V(t)= e<sup>rt</sup>, then V'= re<sup>rt</sup> and V"= r<sup>2</sup>e<sup>rt</sup> so r<sup>2</sup>e<sup>rt</sup>+ (1/w)e<sup>rt</sup>= 0 and you get the "characteristic equation" r<sup>2</sup>+ 1/w= 0. The solutions to that are either [itex]\pm\sqrt{1/w}[/itex] or [itex]\pm i \sqrt{1/w}[/itex] depending on whether w is positive or negative.<br /> <br /> The solutions to the homogenous differential equation are either<br /> [tex]V(t)= Ce^{\frac{t}{\sqrt{w}}}+ De^{-\frac{t}{\sqrt{w}}}[/tex]<br /> or <br /> [tex]V(t)= Ccos(\frac{t}{\sqrt{w}})+ Dsin((\frac{t}{\sqrt{w}})[/tex]<br /> Again depending on whether w is positive or negative.<br /> <br /> For a "particular solution" to the entire equation, look for V(t)= A, a constant. Then V"(t)= 0 so the equation becomes <br /> [tex]\frac{A}{w}= \frac{V_m}{w}[/tex] <br /> so A= V_m.<br /> <br /> If w is positive, the general solution to the entire equation is<br /> [tex]V(t)= Ce^{\frac{t}{\sqrt{w}}}+ De^{-\frac{t}{\sqrt{w}}}+ V_m[/tex]<br /> <br /> If w is negative, the general solution to the entire equation is<br /> [tex]V(t)= Ccos(\frac{t}{\sqrt{w}})+ Dsin((\frac{t}{\sqrt{w}})+ V_m[/tex][/tex]
 
Thanks for your help...But for particular solution why is it that V(t)=A?What determines that V(t)=A?
 
Take a look at the DE; you want some way for a solution V(t) to give you a constant, so that the non-homogeneity holds...
In your example, you want the differential equation just to give you a constant, right? So assuming V(t) = A and equating both sides would give you that constant.
Pretty hard to explain, but let's say you assuming V(t) = at + b; we have:
0 + (at+b)/w = (Vm/w)
at + b = Vm
And, writing it out in a slightly different way:
at + b = Vm + 0t
Equating the co-efficients, you have a = 0, Vm = b.
And that's another way to find the solution.
But what determines V(t) = A is because you have a V(t) term on the left side and you have a constant on the right side--- and since V'(t) = 0 and V''(t) = 0 for any constant A, V(t) = A would give you the constant as you want it on the right side.
Hope that made SOME sense. :P I tried.
 
Thanks for all the help...This is a really good forum
 

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