Can you spot the error in my substitution method for solving this DE?

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The discussion revolves around a substitution method for solving a differential equation of the form $$\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y+t}{t}$$. Participants explore the validity of the substitution and the implications of a potential misstatement in the original equation, examining various approaches to solving the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Mac presents a substitution method using $$v = y+t$$ and expresses confusion about an apparent error in the transformation leading to $$\frac{dv}{dt}-1 = \frac{v}{t}$$.
  • Some participants suggest that the original equation should be $$\frac{dy}{dt}=\frac{y+t}{t}$$ instead of $$\frac{dy}{dx}$$, which leads to a different approach using the substitution $$y=ut$$.
  • One participant provides a step-by-step solution based on the corrected equation, leading to the conclusion that $$\frac{du}{dt}=\frac{1}{t}$$ can be solved easily.
  • Mac acknowledges the misstatement regarding $$\frac{dy}{dx}$$ and expresses gratitude for the clarification and guidance provided by others.
  • Another participant notes that the substitution $$y=ut$$ is common in solving first-order ordinary differential equations (ODEs) and encourages familiarity with it.
  • Additional methods, such as using an integrating factor, are mentioned as alternative approaches to solving the equation.

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Participants generally agree on the need to correct the original equation and the validity of the substitution method proposed. However, multiple approaches to solving the differential equation are discussed, indicating that there is no single agreed-upon method.

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The discussion highlights a potential misstatement in the original differential equation and the implications of this on the substitution method. The participants' reasoning relies on the assumption that the equation is correctly interpreted as a first-order linear ODE.

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Readers interested in differential equations, substitution methods, and first-order linear ODEs may find this discussion beneficial.

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Hello all, it's been a long time. Hoping I can get some assistance with what is probably a simple substitution problem, yet it's flummoxing me.

$$\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y+t}{t}$$

I've tried substituting $$ v = y+t $$
$$ y = v - t $$
$$ \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dv}{dt} - 1 $$
$$\frac{dv}{dt}-1 = \frac{v}{t}$$
That would be simple enough, but the -1 is throwing me off.
$$\frac{dv}{v}-\frac{1}{v} = \frac{dt}{t}$$
Definitely something wrong there...

Please show me the error in my ways?

Thanks much,
Mac
 
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MacLaddy said:
Hello all, it's been a long time. Hoping I can get some assistance with what is probably a simple substitution problem, yet it's flummoxing me.

$$\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y+t}{t}$$

I've tried substituting $$ v = y+t $$
$$ y = v - t $$
$$ \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dv}{dt} - 1 $$
$$\frac{dv}{dt}-1 = \frac{v}{t}$$
That would be simple enough, but the -1 is throwing me off.
$$\frac{dv}{v}-\frac{1}{v} = \frac{dt}{t}$$
Definitely something wrong there...

Please show me the error in my ways?

Thanks much,
Mac

For starters, the problem doesn't make sense if you have a $\dfrac{dy}{dx}$ there. Seeing your work makes me think that the original equation should be
\[\frac{dy}{dt}=\frac{y+t}{t}=\frac{y}{t}+1.\]
Here, you can make the substitution $y=ut\implies \dfrac{dy}{dt}=u+t\dfrac{du}{dt}$. Thus, you get that
\[u+t\frac{du}{dt}=\frac{ut}{t}+1\implies u+t\frac{du}{dt}=u+1\implies \frac{du}{dt}=\frac{1}{t}.\]
That last differential equation is simple enough to solve.

Can you take things from here?
 
Chris L T521 said:
For starters, the problem doesn't make sense if you have a $\dfrac{dy}{dx}$ there. Seeing your work makes me think that the original equation should be
\[\frac{dy}{dt}=\frac{y+t}{t}=\frac{y}{t}+1.\]
Here, you can make the substitution $y=ut\implies \dfrac{dy}{dt}=u+t\dfrac{du}{dt}$. Thus, you get that
\[u+t\frac{du}{dt}=\frac{ut}{t}+1\implies u+t\frac{du}{dt}=u+1\implies \frac{du}{dt}=\frac{1}{t}.\]
That last differential equation is simple enough to solve.

Can you take things from here?

Ahh, yes. $ \frac{dy}{dx} $ was a nearly-midnight-brain-... Well, it was mis-typed.Piece of cake, thank you very much for your help. The book vaguely suggested doing it this way, but I didn't understand the way it was presented.

$$ \frac{du}{dt} = \frac{1}{t} $$
$$ \int{du} = \int{\frac{1}{t}dt} $$
$$ u = ln|t| + C $$
$$ \frac{y}{t} = ln|t|+C $$
$$ y(t) = tln|t| + tC $$

Thanks again,
Mac
 
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MacLaddy said:
Ahh, yes. $ \frac{dy}{dx} $ was a nearly-midnight-brain-... Well, it was mis-typed.Piece of cake, thank you very much for your help. The book vaguely suggested doing it this way, but I didn't understand the way it was presented.

$$ \frac{du}{dt} = \frac{1}{t} $$
$$ \int{du} = \int{\frac{1}{t}dt} $$
$$ u = ln|t| + C $$
$$ \frac{y}{t} = ln|t|+C $$
$$ y(t) = tln|t| + tC $$

Thanks again,
Mac

Yea, some books don't explain it that well. However, $y=ut$ is one of the more common substitutions made when solving first order ODES, so I'd be sure to be familiar with/remember it! :)
 
The motivation for using Chris's substitution comes about from one of the standard forms:
\begin{align*}
\frac{dy}{dt} &= \frac{y+t}{t}\\
t \, dy&=(y+t) \, dt.
\end{align*}
From here, you can see that the differential equation is homogeneous, thus making Chris's substitution the preferred method of solution.

Another method would be the integrating factor, since the equation is first-order linear.
 

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