Can't understand solution by substitution, any help?

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The discussion revolves around understanding solutions to differential equations (DE) using substitutions, particularly with homogeneous functions of degree α. Participants express confusion regarding the simplification process through substitution and the identification of the degree α.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the substitution of homogeneous functions simplifies the problem, stating it seems more complicated than the original form.
  • Another participant suggests that extracting xα or yα from a formula can make it easier to work with a single variable instead of two.
  • There is uncertainty about how to determine the correct value of xα, with one participant stating they have not been successful in examples and questioning the process of factoring out the highest degree of x.
  • A later reply indicates that finding α is not necessary, as the substitution generally makes the DE separable, and points to external resources for further examples.
  • One participant expresses a desire for simpler explanations, indicating that while resources exist, a more straightforward explanation would be appreciated.
  • Another participant elaborates on the substitution process, explaining how it allows the functions of two variables to be expressed as products of one-variable functions, thus simplifying the DE.

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Participants generally express confusion and seek clarification on the substitution method, with no consensus on the best approach or understanding of the process. Multiple views on the utility of the substitution and the identification of α remain unresolved.

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So I just started my DE class and I'm kinda stuck on solutions by substitutions. My book explains it as just having a homogeneous function of degree α, we can also write M(x,y) = xαM(1,u) and N(x,y) = xα (1,u) where u = y/x

I don't understand how the substitution simplifies our life ( there's no proof in my book , it just says that a function can have y = g(x,u) and replace g(x,u) in f(x,y)). To me it seems more complicated than anything.

Secondly, how do I find my xα. I tried doing many examples, but without success I never get the correct coefficient, so there is something I'm not understand. I just have to factor out the highest degree of x, no?

Any help would be greatly appreciated
 
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MarcL said:
So I just started my DE class and I'm kinda stuck on solutions by substitutions. My book explains it as just having a homogeneous function of degree α, we can also write M(x,y) = xαM(1,u) and N(x,y) = xα (1,u) where u = y/x

I don't understand how the substitution simplifies our life ( there's no proof in my book , it just says that a function can have y = g(x,u) and replace g(x,u) in f(x,y)). To me it seems more complicated than anything.

Secondly, how do I find my xα. I tried doing many examples, but without success I never get the correct coefficient, so there is something I'm not understand. I just have to factor out the highest degree of x, no?

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Your question gives so little context that's it will have to be answered by someone who knows the background so well he knows what you are not saying.

But I can say that if you have a formula in two variables, if it is homogeneous you can extract xα (or yα) and be able.e to work with a formula in one variable. You might find one easier to deal with than two, no?

(In algebra quite often the opposite is done. A one-variable polynomial is changed into a two-variable homogeneous one because you get a. more convenient-to-work-with symmetry.)
 
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I don't understand how the substitution simplifies [the calculation]
Try it and see.
 
MarcL said:
So I just started my DE class and I'm kinda stuck on solutions by substitutions. My book explains it as just having a homogeneous function of degree α, we can also write M(x,y) = xαM(1,u) and N(x,y) = xα (1,u) where u = y/x

I don't understand how the substitution simplifies our life ( there's no proof in my book , it just says that a function can have y = g(x,u) and replace g(x,u) in f(x,y)). To me it seems more complicated than anything.

Secondly, how do I find my xα. I tried doing many examples, but without success I never get the correct coefficient, so there is something I'm not understand. I just have to factor out the highest degree of x, no?

Any help would be greatly appreciated

You don't have to find ##\alpha##. The point of the substitution is that it always makes the given DE separable. There are lots of resources and examples on the net. Here's one, for example:
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/math/differential-equations/first-order-equations/first-order-homogeneous-equations
 
Late reply but yeah, there are a lot of ressources' however, sometimes it is nice to hear a "explain like I'm 5 " version. but thank you!
 
This allows us to write the functions of two variables as products of two one variable functions which is much easier.
You do not show the equation, so I assume a usual one.

M(x,y) dx+N(x,y) dy=0
using
M(x,y) = xαM(1,y/x)
N(x,y) = xαN(1,y/x)
dy=d(x y/x)=(y/x)dx+x d(y/x)
we have
M(x,y) dx+N(x,y) dy=0
xαM(1,y/x) dx+xαN(1,y/x) [(y/x)dx+x d(y/x)]=0
dx/x+N(1,y/x)/[M(1,y/x)+N(1,y/x)] d(y/x)=0
which is separated
 

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