Capacitance of four metal plates

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Homework Statement


Four identical parallel metal plates with area $$S$$ and distance between each two $$d$$ are located in air. The external plates are connected by wire. What is the equivalent capacitance between A and B?
This is problem from Irodov.

Homework Equations


$$q=UC$$[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


Plates 1 and 4 are always on same potential which I am not sure how to use.
I tried to simplify as on the picture but that turns out to be wrong(why?).

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As I see it there are three nodes, A, B and C (the wire connecting the outer plates 1 and 4).

Draw the three nodes on paper. There is capacitance between...

A and B
A and C
B and C
 
CWatters said:
As I see it there are three nodes, A, B and C (the wire connecting the outer plates 1 and 4).

Draw the three nodes on paper. There is capacitance between...

A and B
A and C
B and C
Can you explain how did you get that? Thanks
 
You have to recognize the 3 capacitors, its easier if you number them, say capacitor plate 1,2,3 and 4 , so the 3 capacitors are (12),(23) and (34), now try figuring out the the arrangement of these capacitors, by considering which are connected and which are not.
Patrikp said:
Can you explain how did you get that?
If you want to know how to recognize the 3 capacitors try giving the plates charges, imagine A is the +ve terminal and see which all plates should have +ve and which -ve, once you figure that out, i think you'll be able to get the answer.
 
Patrikp said:
Can you explain how did you get that? Thanks

Try..

Hand-drawn diagram of three conducting plates in a parallel stack, with the outer plates joined by a cyan wire and the inner red and green plates ending at terminals labelled A and B, with capacitance marks C between the plates.


PS the colours don't mean anything they are just to highlight the three nodes.