Car driving around a banked curve (with friction)

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The discussion focuses on calculating the maximum speed of a 1400 kg rubber-tired car navigating a banked curve with a radius of 80.0 m and a banking angle of 13.0 degrees, considering a static coefficient of friction of 1.0. The key equations involved are the centripetal force equation, F_r = mv²/r, and the frictional force equation, F_f = μN. Participants emphasized the importance of understanding the net forces acting on the car, particularly through the use of free body diagrams to visualize the components contributing to centripetal force.

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Homework Statement


A concrete highway curve of radius 80.0 m is banked at a 13.0 degree angle.

What is the maximum speed with which a 1400 kg rubber-tired car can take this curve without sliding? (Take the static coefficient of friction of rubber on concrete to be 1.0.)


Homework Equations


F_r = \frac{mv^2}{r}

F_f = \mu N


The Attempt at a Solution


I have a few pieces here, but I'm not completely sure how to put them together.

There's a rotational force pulling towards the center of the circle:
F_r = \frac{mv^2}{r}
Where mass and radius are given.

Also, there is a frictional coefficient:
F_f = \mu N
Where \mu is 1.0 and N is mgcos\theta (at least I believe it is... or is it just mg?) where m, g, \mu, and \theta are given.

I had a relatively easy time understanding problems in which there was no friction, but I can't quite figure this out. Anyone have any advice to push me in the right direction? :)
 
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You already noted that the centripedal force is towards the center of the circle, so all you need to know now is which forces have a component pointing horizontally towards the center. I suggest that you draw a free body diagram with all the forces. This will help you see which contribute (and what components) to the centripetal force.
 
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Awesome... Thank you very much! It all makes sense now. I kept treating centripetal force as a force in itself instead of a net force. Thanks again!
 

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