Casimir effect, energy conservation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Casimir effect, particularly focusing on the nature of virtual particles, energy conservation, and the forces at play between plates in this phenomenon. Participants explore theoretical implications and seek clarification on the underlying principles involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the creation and disappearance of virtual particles in the Casimir effect may imply a violation of energy conservation, questioning the source of energy for these particles.
  • Another participant raises a parallel question about energy conservation in a system with two plates connected by a spring, implying a potential analogy to the Casimir effect.
  • One participant argues against the existence of virtual particles, labeling it a myth of quantum mechanics, and proposes that the Casimir force is essentially a relativistic Van der Waals force, which does not violate energy conservation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the Casimir force can be understood as a collective effect of electromagnetic forces between the charges in the atoms of the plates, asserting that this does not violate energy conservation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of virtual particles and their implications for energy conservation. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the Casimir effect or the validity of the claims regarding energy conservation.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific interpretations of quantum mechanics and may depend on definitions of virtual particles and energy conservation. The discussion includes references to advanced papers that may not be accessible to all participants.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring quantum mechanics, the Casimir effect, and the principles of energy conservation in physics.

Gabriele Pinna
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I was reading some articles about Casimir effect. It turns out that some virtual particles are created and suddenly disappears amd that these particles can exert a pressure on the plates. It seems that this creation breaks energy conservation law, but it cannot be.I would like to know which system provides the energy to actually create these particles.
 
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Why doesn't having two plates connected by a spring violate energy conservation?
 
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Gabriele Pinna said:
I was reading some articles about Casimir effect. It turns out that some virtual particles are created and suddenly disappears amd that these particles can exert a pressure on the plates. It seems that this creation breaks energy conservation law, but it cannot be.I would like to know which system provides the energy to actually create these particles.

Virtual particles do not actually exist - its one of a number of myths of QM:
https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0609163

This is a beginner level thread, but explaining what the Casimir Force really is, is an advanced topic. I will tell you the answer then refer you to advanced papers so you understand I am not just making this up. Its really just a relativistic Van der Waals force. You probably learned about Van der Waals forces in your chemistry class at HS - that's all that's really going on. Now for the papers justifying it:
http://www.theo.phys.ulg.ac.be/~cugnon/cas.pdf

And from the person that wrote the myths and facts paper I gave a link to:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1605.04143

Thanks
Bill
 
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Gabriele Pinna said:
I was reading some articles about Casimir effect. It turns out that some virtual particles are created and suddenly disappears amd that these particles can exert a pressure on the plates. It seems that this creation breaks energy conservation law, but it cannot be.I would like to know which system provides the energy to actually create these particles.
The Casimir force is just a collective effect of electromagnetic forces between charges that constitute atoms of which the Casimir plates are made. The electromagnetic force, of course, does not violate energy conservation.

For more details see also https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...vacuum-energy-and-a-bit-of-relativity.882958/
 
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