Celestial Mechanics: Eccentricity of Orbits

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of eccentric orbits in celestial mechanics, specifically whether such orbits tend to become more circular over time, and the factors influencing changes in eccentricity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that eccentric orbits are stable solutions in a central force field and do not naturally decay towards circular orbits.
  • Others mention that the Earth's orbit experiences variations in eccentricity over time, suggesting that external factors may influence these changes.
  • One participant proposes that the lack of spherical symmetry in a larger mass object can cause changes in the eccentricity of orbits, specifically referencing the Moon's orbit around Earth.
  • A participant introduces the concept of tidal circularization, indicating that tidal effects can reduce the eccentricity of a satellite's orbit, depending on the proximity to the primary mass and its gravitational influence.
  • There is a distinction made between ideal cases of orbits in theoretical models and real-world observations, with some participants emphasizing the stability of elliptical orbits as demonstrated by Kepler.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether eccentric orbits tend to become more circular over time, with some arguing for stability while others highlight external influences that may alter eccentricity. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific cases, such as the Earth's orbit and the gravitational interactions of Jupiter's moons, indicating that the discussion is context-dependent and may not apply universally across all celestial bodies.

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a simple question about celestial mechanics...will the orbit of an object in an eccentric orbit become more circular over time, irrespective of impacts with other debris?
 
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No. An eccentric orbit is a stable solution to the equations of motion in a central force field.
 
@pixel - Consider:
The Earth's orbit varies over time in eccentricity from close to circular to mildly elliptic. Maybe that is what Madison Bond is referring to.
 
Hi madison:

What causes the eccentricity of an orbit (of a small mass object about a large mass object) to change is the lack of spherical symmetry in the larger mass object. The changes in the eccentricity of the moon's orbit is mostly due to the non-spherical symmetry of the Earth's gravitational field.

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Buzz
 
madison bond said:
a simple question about celestial mechanics...will the orbit of an object in an eccentric orbit become more circular over time, irrespective of impacts with other debris?
There is an effect called tidal circularization, in which tidal effects between the primary and the satellite work to reduce the eccentricity of the satellite. The strength of this depends on the proximity of the satellite and the mass of the primary. Jupiter has quite a strong effect on its inner satellites, and they have very small eccentricities. It is the gravitational interaction between the Moons themselves which prevent them from settling into circles.
 
jim mcnamara said:
@pixel - Consider:
The Earth's orbit varies over time in eccentricity from close to circular to mildly elliptic. Maybe that is what Madison Bond is referring to.

I was thinking of the ideal case of a particle in an inverse square force field.
 
I think @pixel answered the OP question correctly, as I get the impression that OP thinks that elliptical orbits are naturally decaying towards a circular one, whereas Kepler showed that they are stable.
 

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