Challenging Problem (Equivalent Metrics)

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of demonstrating that for a non-compact metric space (X,p), there exists an equivalent metric p* such that (X,p*) is not complete. Participants explore various approaches, examples, and counterexamples related to this problem, focusing on theoretical aspects and specific cases.

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  • One participant suggests starting with the definition of compactness and using an appropriate cover to demonstrate the problem.
  • Another participant proposes using a specific example, such as the interval (0,1) with the standard metric, to illustrate features of completeness and non-completeness.
  • A participant provides an example using the natural numbers and defines a new metric p* that is equivalent to p but results in a non-complete space.
  • Some participants question the assumption of unboundedness in the general case and provide an example of a complete and bounded space of continuous functions that is not compact.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of not being totally bounded and the existence of sequences that may not be unbounded but still challenge completeness.
  • A participant suggests that deforming the metric to create a new equivalent metric p* under which a specific sequence is Cauchy could suffice for the problem.
  • Another participant discusses constructing a bounded incomplete metric for infinite discrete sets and proposes a method involving Zorn's lemma for finding a minimal subcover.
  • A further contribution introduces a pseudo-metric construction that could force a non-uniformly bounded sequence to be Cauchy, thus leading to incompleteness.

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Participants express differing views on the assumptions regarding boundedness and total boundedness. There is no consensus on a single approach or solution, as multiple competing ideas and examples are presented.

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Some participants note the limitations of their assumptions, particularly regarding boundedness and total boundedness, and the implications these have on the completeness of the metric space.

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Challenging Problem! (Equivalent Metrics)

I need to show that if (X,p) is a non-compact metric space, then there exists a metric p* equivalent to p such that (X,p*) is not complete.

I greatly appreciate your help!
 
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It helps us if we know where you're getting stuck... nobody's going to just solve the problem for yo. I'd start by writing down the definition of compactness, and picking an appropriate cover to demonstrate the opposite. See what you can do with that
 


I always find it easier to work with a specific example and generalise.. e.g. take the interval (0,1) on the real line with standard metric - what are it's features, why is it not complete? Why is (-infinity,infinity) complete when the two sets are topologicaly the same?
 
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OK here is an example. Take the set of the natural numbers. Under the usual metric p it is non-compact. But now I can define a new metric p* by p*(n,n)=0 and p*(n,n+1)=1/2^n. It is easy to check that p and p* are equivalent. Further, the sequence {n} used to be unbounded under p, but it is now a Cauchy sequence that does not converge under p*. Thus, the set of naturals under p* is not complete.

To generalize this, the idea is to assume WLOG that (X,p) is complete but not totally bounded. So we can take an unbounded sequence in (X,p), and make it Cauchy under p* by somehow contracting the distances. Since it was unbounded under p, intuitively it will be non-convergent under p*. I've been trying since a week to find such p*.
 


How can you assume wlog of that X is unbounded?

What about X = space of continuous functions from R to R which are bounded by 1, and p is uniform metric p(f,g)=sup|f(x)-g(x)|
That is a complete and bounded space, but not compact. Can you give an equivalent non-complete metric in this case?
 


gel said:
How can you assume wlog of that X is unbounded?

What about X = space of continuous functions from R to R which are bounded by 1, and p is uniform metric p(f,g)=sup|f(x)-g(x)|
That is a complete and bounded space, but not compact. Can you give an equivalent non-complete metric in this case?

I assume it is not TOTALLY bounded by Heine-Borel. Not compact=> not complete or not totally bounded. If not complete, then we are done. Therefore assume not totally bounded but complete.
 


ok, so it is not totally bounded. Your post confused me by stating that there exists an unbounded sequence.
Not being totally bounded means that for some r>0, it cannot be covered by finitely many balls of radius r. So, there is a sequence xn with p(xm,xn)>r for all m != n.
However, it does not mean that the sequence is unbounded.
 


Given such a sequence, if you can deform p to give a new (and equivalent) metric p* under which xn is Cauchy, then that would be enough.
 


Note that every infinite discrete set admits a bounded incomplete metric. Given noncompact (X,p), find e s.t. the set of balls of radius e has no finite subcover. Let {Bi} (indexed by a set I) be a minimal subcover (note we use Zorn's lemma here. This is simply to make the proof cleaner.) Assign the set I a bounded incomplete metric (say q(b1,b2)) for the discrete topology. For any index i, define m(i)=inf(q(i,i')), taken over all i' in I. If x1, x2 are in at least one ball Bi together, define p*(x1, x2)=(1/2e)*p(x1,x2)*(sup(m(i)), the sup being taken over all i s.t. Bi contains both x1 and x2. Otherwise define p*(x1,x2)=sup(q(i1,i2)), taken over all i1 with Bi1 containing x1 and i2 with Bi2 containing x2.


I don't have time to check thoroughly right now, but I think this should be a metric of the type you're looking for. Seems like an awful lot of work though, I'd like to see an easier way.
 
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given any symmetric function f:X x X -> R with f(x,x)=0, you can define a pseudo-metric
<br /> p^*(x,y) = \inf\sum_{k=1}^{n} f(x_{k-1},x_k)<br />
where the inf is over all sequences x0,x1,...,xn with x0=x, xn=y.
You can define f(x,y) to equal what you want on some chosen sequence and p elsewhere. I think you should be able to force a given non uniformly bounded sequence to be Cauchy, and so incomplete, in this way.
 
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Thanks, gel. That construction is certainly much easier than mine (though they work the same way).
 

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