Chocolate as a nootropic (brain doping) neuropharmacological substance

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The discussion revolves around the potential nootropic effects of chocolate, particularly cacao, and its neuropharmacological properties. Participants explore various components of cacao, such as theobromine and phenylethylamine, and their effects on cognitive performance and mood enhancement. The conversation includes references to research studies and personal experiences related to cacao consumption.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that cacao contains theobromine, which is a vasodilator that may increase blood flow to the brain, and highlights its mood-boosting properties due to phenylethylamine.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the sources provided and emphasizes the need for peer-reviewed research to support claims about chocolate's cognitive benefits.
  • Some participants express appreciation for the effort made in discussing the topic and suggest that framing questions can enhance the discussion.
  • A participant shares concerns about the potential negative effects of excessive theobromine consumption, drawing a comparison to alcohol's impact on blood pressure regulation.
  • In response, another participant strongly disagrees with the comparison between alcohol and cacao, arguing that the biological effects of different substances cannot be directly extrapolated and citing positive health effects associated with cacao consumption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the comparison between cacao and alcohol, with some supporting the idea that they are fundamentally different, while others maintain that both are vasodilators. There is no consensus on the overall effects of cacao as a nootropic, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of its consumption.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various studies and anecdotal evidence, but there is a lack of consensus on the reliability of the sources cited and the interpretations of the effects of cacao.

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Cacao (chocolate) contains little caffeine but much theobromine, a vasodilator which increases blood flow in the brain. Cacao is also high in focus&mood-boosting phenylethylamine, an endogenous chemical which also reaches the brain from exogenous sources such as protein* but is particularly concentrated in cacao and blue-green algae. Cacao is similarly an exogenous source of the endogenous endorphinergic cannabinoid anandamide, but much more potent than its tiny dose of anandamide (the rate of endogenous production of anandamide is much higher than the rate at which anandamide is absorbed from eaten cacao) are chemicals in it that make anandamide stick around longer.** While there is little research on the effects of these individual chemicals, studies show that eating chocolate increases performance on standardized cognitive tests.***

I define 'a substance' as "an object containing a general ratio of instances of structural formulas." 'Neuropharamcological' refers to the exactness and hypothetical predicatability with which chemicals affect the mind; it summons the sobering specter of material realism.

*http://www.livestrong.com/article/204701-phenylethylamine-in-the-diet/
**http://www.chocolate.org/
***http://www.upi.com/Science_News/200...ses-cognitive-performance/UPI-90921148615897/
 
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Two things:

1) What is your question? :confused:

2) Your links are not valid sources, you need to provide links to peer-reviewed research from credible sources. For example:

Effects of chocolate consumption on enhancing cognitive performance.
R. Drakea, D. Felbauma, C. Huntleya, A. Reeda, L. Matthewsa and B. Raudenbusha
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019566630700102X

Consumption of cocoa flavanols results in an acute improvement in visual and cognitive functions.
Field DT, Williams CM, Butler LT.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21324330

Consumption of cocoa flavanols results in acute improvements in mood and cognitive performance during sustained mental effort.
Scholey AB, French SJ, Morris PJ, Kennedy DO, Milne AL, Haskell CF.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19942640
 
ryan_m_b said:
Two things:

1) What is your question? :confused:

2) Your links are not valid sources, you need to provide links to peer-reviewed research from credible sources. For example:

Effects of chocolate consumption on enhancing cognitive performance.
R. Drakea, D. Felbauma, C. Huntleya, A. Reeda, L. Matthewsa and B. Raudenbusha
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019566630700102X

Consumption of cocoa flavanols results in an acute improvement in visual and cognitive functions.
Field DT, Williams CM, Butler LT.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21324330

Consumption of cocoa flavanols results in acute improvements in mood and cognitive performance during sustained mental effort.
Scholey AB, French SJ, Morris PJ, Kennedy DO, Milne AL, Haskell CF.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19942640

Are these forums just for questions?

Thank you for the sources ryan_m_b.
 
treehouse said:
Are these forums just for questions?

Thank you for the sources ryan_m_b.

Not just for but the vast majority of the time people are asking questions. Even if the user just wants to start a discussion about something they recently saw it's best to outline what you want from a thread. For example; If I just read some studies about how chocolate was a good cognitive enhancer I would post;

"I recently came across these links [INSERT LINKS] that say that chocolate is a good cognitive enhancer [INSERT QUOTE]. What do people think of this?"
 
treehouse I have to applaud the amount of effort you made this time to flesh out the subject and find sources. This attempt was so much better than a title and and one line question. I actually know what you are talking about from reading the post.

As Ryan said, you forgot to ask a question, but all in all, I was impressed. And trying to find sources such as Ryan listed are preferred for getting correct information. Overall, well done!
 
Great, chocolate is good for other things besides containing antioxidants.
 
I decided to slow down on my raw cacao powder consumption after reading that alcoholics can atrophy the vasoconstrictive muscles by being on alcohol so much of the time that they are nearly always relaxed. Then when they atrophy, they are permanently vasodilated and cannot adjust their blood pressure as flexibly.

Theobromine is a vasodilator with a half-life of six hours*, certainly long enough for me to be on it almost all the time.

*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/627135 http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/webprojects2001/millward/theobromine.htm
 
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I do NOT think that alcohol / ethanol in ANY way can be compared to cacao powder consumption. This is a strange and totally misleading shortcircuit thinking about the extreme and misunderstood complexity and diversity of ALL life on Earth. One cannot simply extrapolate from the biological effects of alcohol consumption onto other kinds of consumption. First of all - alcohol is a higly complex and strong SOLVENT and a dangerous POISON for almost all life forms - so we all would do extremely well by reducing and eliminating it totally as a drink from our "culture."

What I have read about cacao consumption by humans and evidence of clear positive health effects is a lot, but the information that is simplest to understand comes out of the results of some extensive research done by Harvard University Medical School in the U.S. It's the fact that the people that live on the islands off the east coast of Panama consume coupious amounts of the stuff, and they are MUCH healthier in general then their neighbours on the mainland not far away, the only difference in lifestyles being the daily consumption of cacao.

I am very grateful and highly privileged here in Oslo, Norway, for being able to simply walk to my local food store and pick up all the "Fair Trade" packs of pure cacao powder that I want for a low price!
 
Accubuff said:
I do NOT think that alcohol / ethanol in ANY way can be compared to cacao powder consumption. This is a strange and totally misleading shortcircuit thinking about the extreme and misunderstood complexity and diversity of ALL life on Earth. One cannot simply extrapolate from the biological effects of alcohol consumption onto other kinds of consumption. First of all - alcohol is a higly complex and strong SOLVENT and a dangerous POISON for almost all life forms - so we all would do extremely well by reducing and eliminating it totally as a drink from our "culture."

What I have read about cacao consumption by humans and evidence of clear positive health effects is a lot, but the information that is simplest to understand comes out of the results of some extensive research done by Harvard University Medical School in the U.S. It's the fact that the people that live on the islands off the east coast of Panama consume coupious amounts of the stuff, and they are MUCH healthier in general then their neighbours on the mainland not far away, the only difference in lifestyles being the daily consumption of cacao.

I am very grateful and highly privileged here in Oslo, Norway, for being able to simply walk to my local food store and pick up all the "Fair Trade" packs of pure cacao powder that I want for a low price!

They are both vasodilators. That is the only comparison I was making. Thank you for collaborating with the community.