Circular Orbit in Schwarzschild: Orbital Period

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the orbital period for a circular orbit in the Schwarzschild metric, as presented in Schutz's text. Participants explore the derivation of the formula and address discrepancies between theoretical expressions and numerical calculations.

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  • One participant presents Schutz's formula for the orbital period, expressing confusion over discrepancies with their own calculations.
  • Another participant identifies the location of the formula in Schutz's text, providing a reference for clarification.
  • A third participant challenges the correctness of the original poster's expression for ##\tilde{E}##, suggesting it is actually the square of the energy expression and asserting that Schutz's results should follow from the correct interpretation.
  • Some participants propose that transcription errors or typos in the text may be responsible for the confusion, indicating that such issues are not uncommon in Schutz's work.

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There is no consensus on the correctness of the original poster's calculations or the expressions used. Multiple views exist regarding the potential for typos in Schutz's text and the implications for the derivation of the orbital period.

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Participants note the possibility of transcription errors and the dependence on the specific edition of Schutz's text, which may affect the interpretation of the equations presented.

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I followed Schutz derivation and I don't get his result
Schutz finds that the orbital period for a circular orbit in Schwarzschild is

$$ P = 2 \pi \sqrt {\frac { r^3} {M} }$$

He gets this from
$$ \frac {dt} {d\phi} = \frac {dt / d\tau} {d\phi/d\tau} $$
Where previously he had ## \frac {d\phi}{d\tau} = \tilde L / r^2## and ## \frac {dt}{d\tau} = \frac {\tilde E} { 1 - 2M/r}## and where

## \tilde L^2= \frac {Mr } { 1-3M/r}## and ##\tilde E = \frac {(1- 2M/r)^2} {1-3M/r} ##

After doing the algebra I don't get that expression for the period (I get a much more complicated expression).
I punched in some numbers for M and r in a spreadsheet and the period given by the expression above does not match the calculations I have done. It does not even seem to be a very good approximation. Help, please!
 
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Where's this in Schutz?
 
It's in ch 11 section 1 (page 280 in my edition) under Perihelion Shift
 
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Your expression for ##\tilde{E}## is wrong - it's the correct expression for ##\tilde{E}^2##. Schutz has it correct in equation 11.21 on p287 in my edition, and I think his result for ##P## follows.

You may have made a transcription error, or there may be a typo in your edition. Either is possible - I've commented before that I think Schutz needed a better editor.
 
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Definitely a typo. Thank you!
 
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epovo said:
Definitely a typo.
I have the second edition, so I hope you have the first edition... This particular text does seem to have more than usual stuff like this, so I would say that when you can't make sense of Schutz, "my textbook is wrong" (or at least confusingly written) should be a bit higher up your probability list than normal.
 
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