Citing Publications & Books: Should We Bother?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the appropriateness and necessity of citing publications and books in academic writing, particularly in the context of a master's thesis. Participants explore the balance between citing well-known works versus lesser-known sources, and the implications of these choices for clarity and credit in scholarly work.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that citations should be included for previously-obtained results, emphasizing the importance of crediting sources.
  • Others argue that citing well-known works may be unnecessary, as it can be assumed that readers are familiar with basic results.
  • A participant mentions the idea of citing for convenience, proposing that citations should be included only if the results are non-trivial and may not be known by the intended audience.
  • One participant humorously notes the potential absurdity of citing basic knowledge from high school textbooks, indicating a personal threshold for citation relevance.
  • Another participant points out that for a thesis, the audience may not be extensive, yet still advocates for citing sources that might not be known to peers at a similar academic level.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of citations, with some advocating for more citations based on the audience's knowledge level, while others question the need for citing well-known works. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach to citations in academic writing.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include varying assumptions about the audience's familiarity with specific results and the subjective nature of what constitutes a "non-trivial" result. There is also a lack of consensus on the threshold for citation relevance.

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Should one keep citations to not so well known publications/books (non-trivial citations), and not bother citing some famous books which everybody knows anyway? IMO it is reasonable to assume that the reader is already aware certain basic results, but on the other hand one might think that it is better to cite than to not cite?

I have a very specific question: I'm writing my master's thesis, and I'm using the change of integration variable at one proof. The integration domain is an arbitrary measurable set, so it is not really usual multi-variable calculus one might expect everybody to know. Should I cite Rudin's Real & Complex Analysis at this point?

It is probably not going to harm anyone if I did not cite, and on the other hand it feels like that the only reason I would make the citation is, that it looks cool when there is longer list of citations in the end... which would be dumb of course :confused:

(No need to be responsible when posting answers. I'm going to ask the same thing from elsewhere too :smile:)
 
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jostpuur said:
Should one keep citations to not so well known publications/books (non-trivial citations), and not bother citing some famous books which everybody knows anyway? IMO it is reasonable to assume that the reader is already aware certain basic results, but on the other hand one might think that it is better to cite than to not cite?

I have a very specific question: I'm writing my master's thesis, and I'm using the change of integration variable at one proof. The integration domain is an arbitrary measurable set, so it is not really usual multi-variable calculus one might expect everybody to know. Should I cite Rudin's Real & Complex Analysis at this point?
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If you use a previously-obtained result, then cite it, simple as that.

I tried to have some fun with citations on my dissertation- I cited Aristotle and Galileo, because they had some relevant observations- why not?
 
The purpose of a citation is to either give credit, or to give a reference for additional information.

In the case of citing analysis results, it's fair to assume that the results aren't Rudin's himself. The citation would therefore be a matter of convenience to the reader, and therefore you should only include such a citation if the result is non-trivial enough that you believe some of your readers (possibly experts in your fields depending on the level at which you aim your paper) will not know the result off-hand.
 
Andy Resnick said:
If you use a previously-obtained result, then cite it, simple as that.

But I'll have to draw the line somewhere, to avoid citing my old high school books, from which I'm probably using some basic mathematical knowledge :-p

tmc said:
...The citation would therefore be a matter of convenience to the reader, and therefore you should only include such a citation if the result is non-trivial enough that you believe some of your readers (possibly experts in your fields depending on the level at which you aim your paper) will not know the result off-hand.

I remember the time when I wasn't sure if change of variable formula holds for Lebesgue integrals, so this could be enough of reason to cite. Besides, other students could be more likely readers of my thesis than actual professionals.
 
Well in your case, it's a thesis, so ultimately no one will actually read it.

That being said, you should definitely give a reference if someone at your level or slightly below you would not know such a result off-hand. So yes, cite.
 

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