Clarification of a specific orbit example

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The discussion revolves around understanding a specific example from a lecture on group theory, particularly focusing on the cyclic group acting on a set and the calculation of the cardinality of a power set of two-element subsets. Participants seek clarification on the definition of orbits and the cardinality of the set of two-distinct-element subsets.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to quickly calculate the cardinality of the power set Pot_2 without enumerating all possibilities, noting confusion over the cardinality being 15.
  • Another participant clarifies that Pot_2(M) refers to the set of two-distinct-element subsets of M and suggests using permutations or combinations to find its cardinality, rather than the power set formula.
  • It is proposed that G*0 is the only orbit because orbits form a partition of the set, and since G*0 covers all elements of M, no other orbit can exist.
  • A participant expresses understanding of G*0 as encompassing all elements of M and acknowledges that orbits are disjoint.
  • One participant speculates that the 15 pairs in Pot_2(M) arise from the total pairs of tuples given the mapping of M, and seeks a faster method to arrive at this number.
  • A later reply concludes that the cardinality can be determined using the binomial coefficient for combinations, specifically "6 choose 2."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of orbits and the calculation of the cardinality of Pot_2(M) using combinations. However, there is initial confusion regarding the relevance of the power set formula, indicating some disagreement on the approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and the application of combinatorial principles in the context of the problem, particularly regarding the calculation of the cardinality of subsets.

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Hello,

In my professor's lecture notes she gives this example and I have a couple of questions regarding it:Let M = \mathbb Z/6\mathbb Z and f: M \rightarrow M, x \rightarrow x+1 the cyclical permutation of the elements from M. Then is G := \{id_M, f, f^2,f^3,f^4,f^5\} a subset from S_M. Just like the symmetric group, G operates on M through applicaton. M has exactly one orbit namely M = G*0. We can have G operate also on the 2-element subset from M. |Pot_2(M)| = 15 and G has on Pot_2(M) exactly 3 orbits:G \cdot \{0,1\} = \{\{i,i+1\} | i \in M \}, of the length 6,

G \cdot \{0,2\} = \{\{i,i+2\} | i \in M \}, of the length 6

G \cdot \{0,3\} = \{\{0,3\},\{1,4\},\{2,5\} | i \in M \}, of the length 3.Questions:

1. How can one quickly calculate the cardinality of the power set Pot_2 without writing out all of the possibilities? The cardinality of the power set is 2^n but in this case it is 15 which confuses me.

2. The definition of an orbit is: Gm:= \{gm| g \in G\} \subseteq M and there are 6 elements from M. Why is G*0 the only orbit? Any help/insight is appreciated.
 
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It looks like she is defining ##Pot_2(M)## to be the set of two-distinct-element subsets of ##M##, and has defined an action of ##G## on that set such that for ##g\in G## and ##(m,n)\in Pot_2(M)## we have ##g((m_1,m_2))=(gm_1,gm_2)##. This has nothing to do with power sets, hence the power set cardinality formula ##2^{|M|}## is not relevant. Instead use permutations or combinations to find the cardinality of ##Pot_2(M)##. Which should it be (perms or combs?) given that the subsets are not ordered pairs?

##G*0## is the only orbit because the orbits form a partition of the set. In particular they are mutually exclusive. Since ##G*0## covers all six elements of ##M##, that mutual exclusivity implies that no other orbit can have any elements. So ##G*0## is the only orbit.
 
Hallo andrewkirk,

Thanks for the response. The G*0 makes a lot of sense now. That is simply the all of the g's in G acting on M and all of them are on the same orbit and orbits are disjunct. Regarding the cardinality of the set |Pot_2(M)|. The 15 is the total pairs of the tuples given the mapping of M (I believe). That means that if we were to write out all possibilities of pairs disregarding the order and remove all of the {i,i} i = (1,2,3,4,5) then we would have 15. I.e.: {0,1},{0,2},{0,3},{0,4},{0,5},{1,2},{1,3},{1,4},{1,5},{2,3},{2,4},{2,5},{3,4},{3,5},{4,5}. I THINK that it was she meant. She expected us to know the answer within 2 seconds so I am wondering if there is a formula to know this answer?
 
I got it. It's just the binomial coefficient of 6 choose 2. Writing it out helped me realize it. Thanks!
 

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