Collision and Conservation of Momentum

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to measuring velocity vectors using a ruler, specifically in the context of a collision and conservation of momentum. Participants are exploring the necessary conditions for such measurements and the implications of the provided equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are considering whether linear motion is a necessary condition for measuring velocity. There is discussion about the need for time measurement alongside distance. Some are questioning the clarity of the problem statement regarding what velocities are being measured.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have suggested that the question may be asking for ratios of velocities rather than absolute values. There is a recognition that additional context may be needed to fully understand the requirements of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential missing information in the problem statement, particularly regarding the definition of the "magnitude of the velocity vectors" and the role of "dots" in the context of the measurements. There is speculation that the dots may represent equal time intervals, which could be a critical condition for the measurements discussed.

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Homework Statement


Show that you can measure the magnitude of the velocity vectors which have units of distance/time with a ruler that measures distance, if a certain condition is met. What is this necessary condition.Use the Equation and Figure to prove below that this can be done.


Homework Equations


m1/m2=|v2a-v2b|/|v1a-v2b|


The Attempt at a Solution


would the condition be that the motion had to be linear meaning that both pucks have to have a straight path? if not could you point me in the right direction and I am not sure how you would prove that using the above equation
 

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I think it is asking about using only a ruler to get the velocity ... so you have to be able to measure some length and say "hey! I know what the speed was!". Just being linear is not going to work since you still need to time the object as well.

It looks like there is something missing from the question though - "show that you can measure the magnitude of the velocity vectors" of what?
 
ok so would a proof be showing that every vector is v=(Distance measure in meters)/(number of dots) with the direction
 
Clearly it is not possible to get the absolute velocities, so it must be asking for ratios of them.
It says to use the equation. Since the masses are unknown, the only use that can be made of the equation is to relate the ratio of the relative velocities in the x direction to that in the y direction:
|vx2a-vx2b|/|vx1a-vx2b| = |vy2a-vy2b|/|vy1a-vy2b|
Based on the diagram, we can eliminate some of the || operators.
But what to make of the 'dots'? It doesn't say they represent equal intervals of time, but they do look that way. They're closer after collision. But if we set that as the condition then the equation becomes redundant.
The question would make much more sense if it asked you to find the ratio of masses.
 
ok so would a proof be showing that every vector is v=(Distance measure in meters)/(number of dots) with the direction
I cannot tell because I don't know why you think your diagram has anything to do with the question. All you have actually told us is that it is your attempt at a solution.

It would help if you answered the following question:
me said:
It looks like there is something missing from the question though - "show that you can measure the magnitude of the velocity vectors" of what?
Though:
What is this necessary condition?
... the "necessary condition" could be that the "dots" positions at equal time intervals.
 

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