Comparing Hand Pump Performance: Brand A vs Brand B

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the performance comparison between two brands of hand pumps, specifically Brand A and Brand B. Participants are exploring factors affecting the efficiency and pressure capabilities of these pumps, including displacement per cycle and potential mechanical issues.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Brand A's pump reaches 92 bar easily but only increases to 98 bar after 30 minutes, while Brand B reaches 100 bar and then 110 bar in the same time frame, questioning whether this is due to quality or displacement.
  • Another participant suggests that the displacement per cycle may affect performance, prompting further inquiry.
  • A participant mentions difficulty in pumping above 100 bar due to the pump being single speed, contrasting it with high-pressure pumps that utilize a two-speed mechanism for easier operation.
  • One reply indicates that the user may have run out of fluid in the reservoir, questioning whether the pumps are new and if they are connected to a dead-headed gauge.
  • A later response suggests adjusting the relief valve, indicating that the pump is reaching 110 bar but then pushing oil back to the reservoir, although another participant disputes the existence of a relief valve in this case.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about a hand pump lacking a relief valve, indicating unfamiliarity with such a design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the causes of the performance discrepancies between the two pumps, particularly regarding the role of displacement, pump design, and potential mechanical issues. No consensus is reached on the underlying reasons for the observed performance differences.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific operational conditions, such as the type of gauge used and the state of the pumps (new vs. used), which may influence the discussion but remain unresolved in terms of their impact on performance.

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I'm currently doing a testing on hand pump from 2 different brand. Let's say Brand A and brand B.
Brand A hand pump is 20cc/cycle with maximum pressure 350 bar, Brand B hand pump is 25cc/cycle with maximum pressure 350bar as well.
1. brand A hand pump easily pump up to 92bar, but after i tried it for about 30 mins, its pressure only increase to 98bar. While brand B hand pump can be easily pump up to 100bar, and then take about 30mins to pump it up to 110bar. What do you think? Is it the quality of the hand pump or its have something to do with the displacement of the hand pump?

2. Is the displacement per cycle affected its performance?

Can anyone give me any opinion?
 
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haruko said:
I'm currently doing a testing on hand pump from 2 different brand. Let's say Brand A and brand B.
Brand A hand pump is 20cc/cycle with maximum pressure 350 bar, Brand B hand pump is 25cc/cycle with maximum pressure 350bar as well.
1. brand A hand pump easily pump up to 92bar, but after i tried it for about 30 mins, its pressure only increase to 98bar. While brand B hand pump can be easily pump up to 100bar, and then take about 30mins to pump it up to 110bar. What do you think? Is it the quality of the hand pump or its have something to do with the displacement of the hand pump?

2. Is the displacement per cycle affected its performance?

Can anyone give me any opinion?

You may have run out of fluid in the reservoir filling the line for your pressure test.

We use hand pumps in our shop all the time and I have seen this happen. Are these brand new hand pumps?

Are you pumping directly into a dead-headed gauge?
 
It is very difficult to pump while the pressure more than 100 Bar. because this is not two speed pump, it is only single speed and the capacity is 25cc per stroke, so you will feel very hard to pump. For example those high pressure hand pump maker, they will use 32cc for high speed low pressure; 1.6cc low speed high pressure, so the user would not feel difficult pump it.

This is the reply from supplier of Brand A. Can anyone explain this?
 
drankin said:
You may have run out of fluid in the reservoir filling the line for your pressure test.

We use hand pumps in our shop all the time and I have seen this happen. Are these brand new hand pumps?

Are you pumping directly into a dead-headed gauge?

No, it's not run out of fluid.
No, it's not a brand new hand pump.
No, we don't pumping directly into a dead-headed gauge.
 
Then it sounds like you need to turn up the relief valve which is simply a check valve with a heavy spring and screw or socket head adjustment. It's getting to 110 bar but pumping after that it just pushes the oil over the relief back to the reservoir.
 
drankin said:
Then it sounds like you need to turn up the relief valve which is simply a check valve with a heavy spring and screw or socket head adjustment. It's getting to 110 bar but pumping after that it just pushes the oil over the relief back to the reservoir.

that's no relief valve in this case...
 
haruko said:
that's no relief valve in this case...

You are telling me you have a hand pump without a relief valve? I've never heard of one. Sorry, I couldn't help you.
 

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