Comparing Worm Sets vs Spur Gears

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of worm sets and spur gears, specifically focusing on their placement in a gear system to achieve desired torque and speed characteristics. Participants explore the implications of gear ratios, efficiency, and operational conditions in the context of mechanical design.

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  • One participant notes that worm sets typically achieve high torque and low speed gear ratios, questioning the optimal placement of the worm set in a gear arrangement.
  • Another participant suggests that spur gears have less friction at high speeds and proposes placing spur gears first to step down the speed before using the worm gear for further reduction.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that gear ratios are cumulative, indicating that the placement of the worm gear should not affect overall speed reduction and torque multiplication, but suggests using the worm gear last for efficiency.
  • One participant argues that the worm gear set should be the driver due to its capability to operate at high speeds and achieve significant reduction, cautioning against using spur gears at high speeds due to potential noise and damage.

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Participants express differing opinions on the optimal placement of worm sets versus spur gears, with no consensus reached on the best configuration for achieving efficiency and performance.

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Participants reference various operational characteristics of worm and spur gears, including friction, speed, torque, and potential mechanical issues, but do not resolve the implications of these factors on gear placement.

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I'm doing a comparison on worm sets over spur gear sets and I came across a question that seems rather simple, but I can't quite resolve. Here it is:

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I do know that worm sets typically achieve high torque and a low speed gear ratio, but in terms of the above question, where would the worm set be placed?

Any help is much appreciated.
 
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The clue is understanding what spur gears and worm gears do at high speed.
which one has less friction?
I'm a bit rusty here... But I think that spurs had less friction at high speed.
So I would set the spurs first to step it down then the worm gear to step it down the rest of the way.

It's an opinion...
 
Gear ratios are cumulative, so the overall speed reduction and torque multiplication should be independent of the worm placement.
The only consideration that occurs to me is that I would probably use the worm/worm gear combination as the last component simply because that would allow for lighter (and cheaper) intermediate gears.

edit: I see that Danev beat me to the same conclusion, although it's worded a bit differently.
 
So the worm set should be on the high torque, low speed end to increase efficiency?
 
I believe it should be the other way around. The worm gear set should be the driver because it is meant to operate at high speed and allows for huge reduction. The spur gear set is not meant for high speed or large reduction; the high speed would make it noisy, cause frequent shock loads and generally wreck the teeth. If you look through machine design books or just online you should be able to find sufficient information to make you confident of one of the options.
 

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