Complex conjugate of an inner product

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The discussion centers on the complex conjugate of an inner product involving the momentum operator squared, denoted as ##\hat{p_{y}^{2}##. The participants clarify that the equality ##\left\langle\Psi\right|\hat{p_{y}^{2}}\left|\phi\right\rangle =\left\langle \phi\right|\hat{p}_{y}^{2}\left|\Psi\right\rangle^*## holds true under the condition that ##|\Psi\rangle = |\phi\rangle##, due to the Hermitian nature of the operator. The confusion arises from the incorrect application of wave function notation with kets, emphasizing that kets represent abstract vectors rather than wave functions.

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Hi everyone.

Yesterday I had an exam, and I spent half the exam trying to solve this question.

Show that ##\left\langle\Psi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right|\hat{p_{y}^{2}}\left|\phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right\rangle =\left\langle \phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right|\hat{p_{y}^{2}}\left|\Psi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right\rangle##

However, I don't see how that is true. If we choose ##\Psi\left(\vec{r}\right)=i\phi\left(\vec{r}\right)##

then

##\left\langle \Psi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right|\hat{p_{y}^{2}}\left|\phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right\rangle =\left\langle i\phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right|\hat{p_{y}^{2}}\left|\phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right\rangle =-i\left\langle \phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right|\hat{p_{y}^{2}}\left|\phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right\rangle ##

and

##\left\langle \phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right|\hat{p_{y}^{2}}\left|\Psi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right\rangle =\left\langle \phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right|\hat{p_{y}^{2}}\left|i\phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right\rangle =i\left\langle \phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right|\hat{p_{y}^{2}}\left|\phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right\rangle ##

which clearly aren't the same. Am I missing something here?

Thank you!
 
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Indeed, that should be
$$
\left\langle\Psi\right|\hat{p_{y}^{2}}\left|\phi\right\rangle =\left\langle \phi\right|\hat{p}_{y}^{2}\left|\Psi\right\rangle^*
$$
Only if ##|\Psi\rangle = |\phi\rangle## do you get
$$
\left\langle\Psi\right|\hat{p_{y}^{2}}\left|\phi\right\rangle =\left\langle \phi\right|\hat{p}_{y}^{2}\left|\Psi\right\rangle
$$
as ##\hat{p}_{y}^{2}## is Hermitian.

Note also that the notation ##\left|\phi\left(\vec{r}\right)\right\rangle## doesn't make sense. A ket is an abstract vector, not a wave function. You then have
$$
\phi(\mathbf{r}) = \langle \mathbf{r} | \phi \rangle
$$
 
Yes, that is exactly what I thought.

Thank you very much.
 

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