Complexes C and C^n as Vector Spaces.

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The discussion revolves around the properties of complex vector spaces, specifically how they can be treated as real vector spaces, the concept of orientability, and the implications of changing bases within these spaces. It addresses theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning related to vector spaces over different fields.

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  • One participant inquires about the process of "realification" of a complex vector space and proposes a method for constructing a new basis for R^{2*n} from a complex basis.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the first point but cautions about the applicability of the method to fields other than R and C.
  • The second participant explains how to determine the orientability of a complex vector space by considering its realification and provides a detailed description of the change of basis matrix.
  • It is noted that the determinant of the change of basis matrix from a complex basis to its associated real basis is positive, indicating a canonical orientation.
  • A later reply expresses appreciation for the explanation and indicates a willingness to explore the reasoning further.

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Participants generally agree on the process of realification and the implications for orientation, but there is a caution regarding the applicability of the method to fields beyond R and C. The discussion remains open for further exploration and clarification.

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Participants have not resolved the implications of the "other field" comment, and the discussion does not delve into the specific mathematical proofs or assumptions underlying the change of basis matrix.

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Hi, Everyone:

Just curious about two things:

1) if we are given the complexes as a vector space V over R , so that

z1,..,zn are a basis, I heard there is a "natural way" of turning this

into a vector space of R^{2*n} over R; IIRC , is this how it is done:

{ z1,iz1,z2iz2,...,zn,izn}is a new basis.

Does this mean that , for, say, n=2 , if v1=a+ib and v2=c+id are

a basis, then

{ (a,b,0,0), (-b,a,0,0), (0,0,c,d), (0,0,-d,c)}

Is the associated basis for R^4:=R^{2*2} over R (or over any other

field)?

2) How do we define orientability/orientation of C^n over R (over F):

In the case of a vector space of R over F , we say that two bases

B1 and B2 have the same orientation if the matrix M taking

(the rows/columns of ) B1 to B2 has positive determinant. BUT**

if the basis vectors are complex, M is a complex matrix, and the

determinant may not be real.

3)Given 2: what do we mean when we say every complex vector space

is positively-oriented?

Thanks (sorry if post is too long).
 
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1) Correct. (Careful with the "other field" comment though. This only applies to R and C. The process is called "realification".)

2) To discuss the orientability of a complex vector space (with a given ordered basis), you think of it as a real vector space (i.e. you consider its realification). I'll elaborate on this below.

3) Using 2), it's an easy exercise in linear algebra that the realification of a complex vector space has a canonical orientation.

Here's what this means. Suppose you start with a complex vector space V with a basis z_1, ..., z_n. Then V can be viewed as a real vector space V_R with basis z_1, ..., z_n, iz_1, ..., iz_n. Suppose now that you choose another basis w_1, ..., w_n for V, and let T be the change of basis matrix z_i -> w_i. Then T will look like A+iB for some matrices A, B.

Now note that the change of basis matrix from the basis z_i, iz_i to w_i, iw_i will be
\begin{pmatrix}A & -B \\ B & A\end{pmatrix}.
(Why?) You can show that the determinant of this matrix is |det T|^2 > 0.

So, any given complex basis z_i has a (canonically) associated real basis z_i, iz_i that is positively oriented.
 
Excellent, morphism, very helpful, thanks. I'll try to prove your why? after dinner; I may need a followup if you don't mind.
 
No problem!
 

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