Conditions for a function to be constant

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The problem involves determining conditions under which the even function f(x) = (ax + b)/(x + c) is constant for -c < x < c, given that a, b, and c are nonzero distinct real numbers with c > 0.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the function being constant and explore the relationships between the parameters a, b, and c. There is mention of using derivatives to find these relationships, as well as evaluating the function at specific points to establish equality.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of constant functions and the implications of the function being even. Some guidance has been offered regarding evaluating the function at specific values, but no consensus has been reached on the exact conditions required for the function to be constant.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the function's evenness and the conditions under which it remains constant, raising questions about the validity of their approaches and the assumptions made in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement



If a, b and c are nonzero distinct real numbers and c > 0. The even function given by:

f(x) = (ax + b)/(x + c)

is constant for -c < x < c and it's value is

(i) a + b; (ii) a + c; (iii) c; (iv) b; (v) a

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The Attempt at a Solution



Okay, so first I solved for x but got two different answers because the function is even:

x = (b - f(x)c)/(f(x) - a) and x = (b - f(x)c)/(a - f(x))

Then I wanted to check the conditions on f(x) for -c < x < c:

-c < (b - f(x)c)/(f(x) - a)

But I don't know how to proceed, because I want to divide both sides by (f(x) - a) and I don't know if it's a negative number or not. What should I do here? How does the information given in the problem statement help me at this point? Am I taking a wrong approach at this problem?
 
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If the function is constant, you cannot solve for x - by definition, all x-values give the same f(x).

With arbitrary a,b,c, the function will not be constant - you can use the information "function is constant" to find a relation between those parameters. If you can use derivatives, they can give you that relation (hint: what is the derivative of a constant function?). Alternatively, consider x=0 and x=c/2 or similar values. f(x) has to be the same for both x-values.

If you have that relation and use it in your definition of f(x), you'll get the result.
 
You get a relation among a,b,c from the condition that the function is even, that is f(x)=f(-x).

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Also, does x < y > z imply z < x < y?

EDIT: I mean if x < y and y is a variable; does that imply that x is less than the smallest value y can take on?

I have that if x > 4 than 2 < (x^2)/2 - 6 so if y < (x^2)/2 - 6 does that mean y < 2?
 
V0ODO0CH1LD said:
Also, does x < y > z imply z < x < y?
4 < 6 > 5
But not 5 < 4 < 6.

EDIT: I mean if x < y and y is a variable; does that imply that x is less than the smallest value y can take on?
That does not make sense.

I have that if x > 4 than 2 < (x^2)/2 - 6 so if y < (x^2)/2 - 6 does that mean y < 2?
No, unless you have "y < (x^2)/2 - 6 for all x>4"
 
V0ODO0CH1LD said:
Also, does x < y > z imply z < x < y?
You shouldn't write stuff like x < y > z. Do you mean x < y AND y > z?

The notation a < b < c is shorthand for a < b AND b < c, and means that b lies between a and c.
 
Mark44 said:
You shouldn't write stuff like x < y > z. Do you mean x < y AND y > z?

The notation a < b < c is shorthand for a < b AND b < c, and means that b lies between a and c.

Okay. So if I have to prove something like: if x > 4 and y < 2 then x^2 - 2y > 12.

Can I say that the statement also implies that if x^2 - 2y > 12 then x > 4 and y < 2? Or that if x^2 - 2y > 12 and x > 4 then y < 2? Maybe I can prove all that but is that implied in the original statement? If not, how can I prove or disprove something like that?
 
@V0ODO0CH1LD: Is that related to your original question in any way?

if x > 4 and y < 2 then x^2 - 2y > 12
That is true as x^2 - 2y > 16 - 2*2 = 12

Can I say that the statement also implies that if x^2 - 2y > 12 then x > 4 and y < 2?
x=0, y=-7 is a counterexample.

Or that if x^2 - 2y > 12 and x > 4 then y < 2?
That statement is true as x^2-2y < 16-2y, and 16-2y > 12 implies y < 2. But you cannot conclude it from the original statement alone."if x > 4 and y < 2 then x^2 - 2y > 12"
directly implies
"if not x^2 - 2y > 12, then (not x>4) or (not y<2)"
which can be re-written as
"if x^2-2y <= 12, then x<=4 or y>=2"
and nothing else.
 
mfb said:
@V0ODO0CH1LD: Is that related to your original question in any way?

Yeah, I was just using something else to better exemplify what I was having trouble with. But thanks, you really helped out! Just one thing; is that method you used to prove that if x > 4 and y < 2 then x^2 - 2y > 12 always valid?
 
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Which method? "Using inequalities"? If you do it right, you can always use them.
 
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V0ODO0CH1LD said:
Yeah, I was just using something else to better exemplify what I was having trouble with. But thanks, you really helped out! Just one thing; is that method you used to prove that if x > 4 and y < 2 then x^2 - 2y > 12 always valid?
As mfb said, it's just properties of inequalities.

If x > 4 and y < 2, then x2 > 16 and 2y < 4 ##\Leftrightarrow## 2y + 12 < 16
Hence x2 > 2y + 12, or equivalently, x2 - 2y > 12.
 

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