Confuse about the spin and pauli matrices

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Pauli matrices and spin in quantum mechanics, focusing on their roles as operators and their connection to the components of spin and magnetic moment. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical representations, and conceptual clarifications related to spin states and angular momentum.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the 2x2 Pauli matrices relate to the components of spin and magnetic moment, questioning why a matrix is used to represent a directional spin.
  • Another participant clarifies that Pauli matrices are operators, not states, and that their eigenvectors represent spin states.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that a spinor, which is a two-component column vector, is acted upon by the Pauli matrices, and discusses the implications of eigenvalues on angular momentum components.
  • One participant proposes the idea of defining x and y components together as a single operator to represent a two angular momentum operators system, while questioning the compatibility with Pauli matrices.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between abstract concepts and real physical objects, discussing the behavior of electrons and their spin in terms of wave properties and quantum logic.
  • This participant also introduces the idea of how magnetic potential can influence spin precession and the measurement of electric and magnetic moments in a quantum context.
  • Lastly, a participant discusses the implications of Taylor expansions in quantum mechanics, relating it to the behavior of quantum events and the properties of unitary objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of Pauli matrices and their application to spin, with no consensus reached on the compatibility of proposed definitions or the relationship between abstract mathematical representations and physical phenomena.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of relating mathematical abstractions to physical realities, as well as the unresolved nature of certain assumptions regarding the definitions and behaviors of spin and angular momentum in quantum mechanics.

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In the textbook, it uses the pauli matrices to describe the spin and it will also form a vector

\vec{\sigma} = \sigma_1 \hat{x} + \sigma_2\hat{y} + \sigma_3\hat{z}

But each component, \sigma_i, i=1,2,3 is a 2x2 matrix. I am really confuse about the relation between \sigma_i and the component of the spin (I mean the magnetic moment) along each cartesian coordinate. For example, why people use \sigma_2 to refer to a spin along y direction while \sigma_2 is a 2x2 matrix instead of a column/row vector?
 
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pauli matrices are OPERATORS, not states.

The eigenvectors of those operators in matrix form (2x2-matricies ) gives you the states of spin.
 
The spin state is a two-component column vector (often called a "spinor") that is acted on by the Pauli matrices, which are operators; multiplied by (1/2)hbar, they are the three angular momentum operators. A spinor that is an eigenvector of (say) sigma_3 with eigenvalue +1 is a state in which the z component of angular momentum has a definite value, in this case +(1/2)hbar. When the z component has a definite value, the x and y components do not (because the three angular momentum operators do not commute).
 
Can the x and y components be defined together (including both using definite values), to permit considering them to represent something like a “right ascension” on a star chart, using that as a single operator to create a “two angular momentum operators system” for the spinor?

Remembering that as part of a two operator description the “declination” component piece, from the z component, would be indefinite when the “right ascension” component has a definite value. (Because the “angular momentum operators”, only two in this case, do not commute).

Or would operators defined that way just not be compatable with pauli matrics?
 
I think you have to keep a close track of the abstractions being used, and the real physical objects that atoms and electrons actually are. It's kind of important to be able to relate the properties of electrons as groups of particles, to electrons as single particles.

Group and phase velocities explain the behaviour of charge and spin as waves (of current or 'electron flux', and magnetic fields with curl, or 'spin flux'). The Maxwellian views are reflected in a close-up view, but at the quantum level there aren't any 'solid particles' or atoms, positions and 'energies' smear out over a space that's ruled by spin precession and the motion of charge. Quantum logic is about how to mix or separate signals from fundamental waveforms, and how magnetic potential can be a 'switch' - since it's the equivalent of a solid angle in an abstract spherical volume.

It gets harder to maintain a grip on phases and differences between them because the dimensions are 'fundamental', and very small; we can apply a magnetic potential, or polarize a space with electric potential to 'control' the precession angles of a spin component or momentum of a charge component.
All fundamental particles have a spin component, even the 'spinless' ones like photons have a tangent connection to a spherical surface; another way to say: "photon polarization has to 'find' an angle, as a vector normal to a tangent on a spherical surface, as its wordline evolves in linear time". We can 'measure' the electric and magnetic moments of any particles that interact with these fields, by fixing some direction on or in this spherical space.

Pauli's algebra is a direct consequence of the properties of "unitary objects". What you do with the Taylor expansion is see what happens when you 'insert' a phase into exponential representations of the number 1 (you multiply to get a 'phase product').
The expansion that 'generates' the approximation shows that it's fundamentally asymmetrical; small angles mean the approximation approaches 1, this approach is dominated by the second term, the third order term has a much lower effect on the 'gap'; large angles mean the approximation expands quickly - which reflects a quantum 'event', like an electron leaving an orbital since its precession angle is too large to allow it to stay where it is.

The expansion 'expands' then, or oscillates. It 'drives' something towards a value, which is unity.
Taylor's series is ubiquitous, and appears to be universal, like the way e is universal.
 
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