Consciousness The Ultimate Reality

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The discussion centers on the assertion by some physicists, including Tom Campbell, that consciousness is the "Ultimate reality." This claim is supported by the Data Eraser Experiment and references from notable physicists like Max Planck, Niels Bohr, and Werner Heisenberg. However, the conversation critiques this perspective, suggesting that the original reasoning proposed by John von Neumann is outdated and that consciousness does not necessarily need to be involved in interpretations of reality. The consensus leans towards skepticism regarding the necessity of consciousness in understanding physical phenomena.

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Why does some physicists say that consciousness is the "Ultimate reality"? which experiment affirm it? Some like 'Tom Campbell' uses Data Eraser Experiment as proof, and quotes from "Max Planck, Bohr, Heisenberg, etc.. as references
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Is it true?
What is "consciousness", anyway?
 
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Rajkovic said:
Why does some physicists say that consciousness is the "Ultimate reality"?

Because they haven't thought about it hard enough. It was originally proposed by Von Neumann for reasons that seemed valid at the time. But things have moved on and the reason he introduced it no longer applies.

Note - this is not to say conciousness type interpretations are not valid - they are - its this notion it must be involved that is incorrect.

Forget about them. This forum tells what's really going on - not this new age inspired rubbish.

Rajkovic said:
What is "consciousness", anyway?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Thanks
Bill
 
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Thank you for your answer bhobba, this thread has been answered and is closed.
 

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