Continuous Function f: A x B to C

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The discussion centers on the continuity of a function f from the product of two topological spaces A and B to a topological space C. Participants explore the conditions under which f is continuous based on the continuity of its restrictions to lines in the product space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether f is continuous from A × B to C if and only if the restrictions f_a and f_b are continuous for all a in A and b in B.
  • Another participant argues against this by providing a counterexample involving the trivial topology on C, suggesting that while f_a may not be continuous, f could still be continuous.
  • A different participant asserts that if f is continuous, then f_a and f_b must also be continuous, but expresses uncertainty about the reverse implication.
  • There is a consensus that restrictions are continuous under the subspace topology, but the reverse condition remains in question.
  • One participant expresses doubt about the reverse implication, suggesting that constructing counterexamples should be feasible.
  • A counterexample is provided involving a specific function F from ℝ × ℝ to ℝ, illustrating a case where the function is continuous in each variable separately but not jointly.
  • Another participant references historical context regarding Baire's work on continuity, noting that functions can be continuous in each variable while being discontinuous overall.
  • There is a mention of Baire's recognition and contributions, highlighting the complexities of academic acknowledgment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the continuity of f_a and f_b guarantees the continuity of f. Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding the implications of continuity in product spaces.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific topological properties and the unresolved nature of the implications discussed. The examples provided illustrate the complexity of continuity in product spaces.

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Is it true that f is a continuous function from A \times B to C
(A, B, C are topological spaces)
if and only if f_{a}: \{a\}\times B \longrightarrow C and f_{b}: A\times \{b\} \longrightarrow C are continuous for all a\in A, b\in B ?
f_a(b) = f_b(a) = f(a,b)
 
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The instant reaction to a statement like that in my mind is 'no'.

Let us go for an extreme counter example. Suppose that C has the trivial topology so that only C and the empty set are open. Then any map from AxB to C is continuous as the inverse image of an open set is either empty or AxB. But your f_a is such that the inverse image of C is {a}xB which is rarely going to be open in the product topolgy.
 
\{a\}\times B is not open in A\times B, but it is open in \{a\}\times B, which is enough for the continuity.

To me it seems quite clear, that if f is continuous, then also f_a and f_b are continuous. But I'm not sure how it goes in the other direction.
 
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yes, a restriction is always continuous under the subspace topology.
And the subspace topology is actually the topology of B (or A).
So If f is continuous then f is "continuous in the first variable and second variable".
But is it true if f is "continuous in the first variable and second variable" then f is continuous?
 
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No, I doubt it, even modulo my silly error above.

It should be easy to construct counter examples.

The idea ought to be that you cannot write an arbitrary open subset of AxB as a union of things of the form {a}xS and Tx{b} where they are inverse images under the f_a and f_b resp.

At least that is what it feels like without the aid of pencil and paper.
 
There's a counterexample in Munkres:

F : \mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}

given by

<br /> F(x) = \begin{cases}<br /> xy/(x^2 + y^2) &amp;\text{if } (x,y) \neq (0,0) \\<br /> 0 &amp;\text{if } (x,y) = (0,0)<br /> \end{cases}<br />
 
for that one, the restrictions along every horizontal and vertical line are even infinitely differentiable. the example is extremely classical, appearing in Courant, as might be expected, but already in Goursat, page 12 of the 1904 translation by Hedrick. He comments there that such functions were studied by Baire in his thesis.

In particular Baire considered the more difficult question of whether a function can be continuus separately in each variable and yet discontinuous everywhere, as a function of both variables. notice the example above is discontinuous at only one point. He showed I beleieve that such a function is continuous at some points on every vertical, horizontal, and perhaps even every line in its domain.
 
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Baire... That man was a champion.
 
Yes but his academic life was a little frustrating, as can easily happen. He was not treated as he deserved and had no approprite position. Lebesgue was preferred to him, in a way he thought unfair,a s Lebesgue had built upon Baire's ideas.

This is just to remind young people that recognition does not always follow achievement.
 

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