Control of pH in acidic range by thermal degradation

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This discussion focuses on the search for an aqueous soluble compound that thermally decomposes or oxidizes to produce acidic products within the temperature range of 100-300°C. The user, Dave, highlights the limitations of urea, which raises pH due to ammonia production, and mentions ethylene glycol as a slow alternative that oxidizes to release free protons. Suggestions include exploring products of transesterification, which yield acetic acid and alcohols, and testing the formic acid/sodium formate system for feasibility in achieving a lower pH.

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  • Understanding of thermal decomposition processes
  • Knowledge of aqueous solubility and pH dynamics
  • Familiarity with organic compounds such as urea and ethylene glycol
  • Basic principles of transesterification reactions
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  • Research the thermal degradation of formic acid and sodium formate
  • Investigate the products of transesterification and their acidity
  • Explore alternative aqueous soluble compounds that decompose to release protons
  • Examine the kinetics of ethylene glycol oxidation for potential enhancements
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Hi all,

Long time lurker, very seldom poster.

I have a need for an aqueous soluble compound that will thermally decompose or oxidize to form acidic products in the temperature range 100-300 C.

It's well known that, on the other end of the scale, urea is water-soluble and near-neutral pH at room temperature but will decompose into a variety of products but most importantly ammonia (which dissolves in water to form ammonium ions, thereby raising the pH of the solution considerably). However, I've had considerable difficulty finding anything that can perform a similar function and make the solution more acidic.

The best thing I've found is ethylene glycol, which will oxidize to form ethylene oxide, some ethers, and release free protons. In practice, however, this is a pretty slow process and takes many days to equilibrate.

I'd greatly appreciate any advice or suggestions from more experienced chemists!

Thanks,
--Dave
 
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uby said:
Hi all,

Long time lurker, very seldom poster.

I have a need for an aqueous soluble compound that will thermally decompose or oxidize to form acidic products in the temperature range 100-300 C.

It's well known that, on the other end of the scale, urea is water-soluble and near-neutral pH at room temperature but will decompose into a variety of products but most importantly ammonia (which dissolves in water to form ammonium ions, thereby raising the pH of the solution considerably). However, I've had considerable difficulty finding anything that can perform a similar function and make the solution more acidic.

The best thing I've found is ethylene glycol, which will oxidize to form ethylene oxide, some ethers, and release free protons. In practice, however, this is a pretty slow process and takes many days to equilibrate.

I'd greatly appreciate any advice or suggestions from more experienced chemists!

Thanks,
--Dave

Products of transesterfication are acidic and yield compounds such as acetic acid and alcohols upon autoclaving. I used to autoclave solutions containing anhydrides and esters - the resulting solution was relatively more acidic.
 
hi GCT,

thanks for your input! i am currently working with the formic acid/sodium formate system to test for feasibility, and will move to some of the more complex esters if i cannot induce enough of a pH change.

--dave
 

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