Convergence/Divergence of Series 2446

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The discussion revolves around the convergence or divergence of a specific series presented in a mathematics exercise. Participants explore various methods to analyze the series, including the ratio test, and engage in clarifying the general term of the series.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to study the convergence or divergence of the series given in the exercise.
  • Another participant suggests using the ratio test as a method for analysis.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to apply the ratio test without knowing the general term, \(a_n\).
  • A participant provides a proposed form for the series, suggesting a different interpretation of the terms involved.
  • Another participant agrees with the proposed form but notes it differs from the book's version.
  • A later reply presents a difference equation for the general term and calculates the limit of the ratio of successive terms, concluding that the series converges based on this analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct form of the series, as participants propose different interpretations. While one participant concludes that the series converges, others have not explicitly agreed on this outcome, and some remain uncertain about the application of the ratio test.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the identification of the general term \(a_n\) and its implications for applying the ratio test. The discussion includes multiple interpretations of the series, which may affect the analysis of convergence.

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Hello MHB,
How can i study the convergence or divergence of this serie:
From: Problems and Excercises of Analysis Mathematic- B. Demidovitch (nº: 2446):

\frac{2}{1}+\frac{2.5.8}{1.5.9}+\frac{2.5.8.11.14..(6n-7).(6n-4)}{1.5.9.13.17...(8n-11).(8n-7)}+...
 
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Have you tried the ratio test ?
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
Have you tried the ratio test ?
Is not a geometric serie. How can i use the ratio test in limit without know the a_{}n ?
 
We need to calculate

$$\lim_{n\to \infty}|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|$$

So what is $a_n$ ?
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
We need to calculate

$$\lim_{n\to \infty}|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|$$

So what is $a_n$ ?

Don't know how to find this a_n
 
$a_n$ is the general term ,specifically, the term that contains n , can you find it in your series ?

For example

$$S=1+2+3+\cdots +n+\cdots $$

Then $a_n= n$

and

$$S=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}n$$
 
By the way , I think your series should be

$$ \frac{2}{1}+\frac{2\cdot 5}{1\cdot 5 }+\frac{2\cdot 5 \cdot 8}{1\cdot 5 \cdot 9}+\cdots+\frac{2\cdot 5 \cdot 8 \cdot 11 \cdot 14 \cdots (6n-7).(6n-4)}{1\cdot 5 \cdot 9 \cdot 13 \cdot 17 \cdots (8n-11) \cdot(8n-7)}+\cdots$$
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
By the way , I think your series should be

$$ \frac{2}{1}+\frac{2\cdot 5}{1\cdot 5 }+\frac{2\cdot 5 \cdot 8}{1\cdot 5 \cdot 9}+\cdots+\frac{2\cdot 5 \cdot 8 \cdot 11 \cdot 14 \cdots (6n-7).(6n-4)}{1\cdot 5 \cdot 9 \cdot 13 \cdot 17 \cdots (8n-11) \cdot(8n-7)}+\cdots$$

maybe, but not so in the book :/
 
Chipset3600 said:
maybe, but not so in the book :/

Strange if so .
 
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Chipset3600 said:
Hello MHB,
How can i study the convergence or divergence of this serie:
From: Problems and Excercises of Analysis Mathematic- B. Demidovitch (nº: 2446):

\frac{2}{1}+\frac{2.5.8}{1.5.9}+\frac{2.5.8.11.14..(6n-7).(6n-4)}{1.5.9.13.17...(8n-11).(8n-7)}+...

It is easy to see that the general term of the series obeys to the difference equation... $\displaystyle a_{n+1} = a_{n}\ \frac{(6 n - 7)\ (6 n - 4)}{(8 n - 11)\ (8 n - 7)}\ (1)$

... so that is...

$\displaystyle \frac {a_{n+1}}{a_{n}} = \frac{(6 n - 7)\ (6 n - 4)}{(8 n - 11)\ (8 n - 7)} = \frac{(6 - \frac{7}{n})\ (6 - \frac{4}{n})}{(8 - \frac{11}{n})\ (8 - \frac{7}{n})}\ (2)$

... and because is...

$\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_{n}=0\ (3)$

... and...

$\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}}= \frac{9}{16} < 1\ (4)$

... the series converges...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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chisigma said:
It is easy to see that the general term of the series obeys to the difference equation... $\displaystyle a_{n+1} = a_{n}\ \frac{(6 n - 7)\ (6 n - 4)}{(8 n - 11)\ (8 n - 7)}\ (1)$

... so that is...

$\displaystyle \frac {a_{n+1}}{a_{n}} = \frac{(6 n - 7)\ (6 n - 4)}{(8 n - 11)\ (8 n - 7)} = \frac{(6 - \frac{7}{n})\ (6 - \frac{4}{n})}{(8 - \frac{11}{n})\ (8 - \frac{7}{n})}\ (2)$

... and because is...

$\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_{n}=0\ (3)$

... and...

$\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}}= \frac{9}{16} < 1\ (4)$

... the series converges...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

thank you, I would not get the response so soon!
 

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