What Is the Radius of Convergence for This Second-Order ODE Series Solution?

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The discussion revolves around determining the radius of convergence for a series solution to a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE). Participants explore various methods for calculating the radius of convergence, including using the differential equation itself, the recurrence relation derived from the series, and the series solutions obtained.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a Taylor series solution for the ODE and suggests that the radius of convergence is 1, but struggles to confirm this using the recurrence relation.
  • Another participant questions the appropriate method for computing the radius of convergence, proposing three options: from the differential equation, the recurrence relation, or the series solutions.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the method for computing the radius of convergence and suggests that it might be derived from the solution obtained.
  • One participant discusses rewriting the ODE and infers that the coefficients converge within a specific interval, raising the question of whether this approach is valid.
  • Another participant mentions a theorem stating that the radius of convergence for the solution is at least the minimum radius of convergence of the coefficients, suggesting that the solution could potentially have a larger radius of convergence.
  • A later reply attempts to summarize the discussion by proposing that the radius of convergence can be determined from the final solution and questions whether the radii from different forms of the ODE are the same.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for determining the radius of convergence, with multiple competing views presented regarding the validity of different approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the relationship between the radius of convergence derived from the differential equation and that from the recurrence relation or series solutions. There are also discussions about the implications of singular points in the differential equation.

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To solve the 2nd order ode:

(3x^4+4x^2+1)y'' + (6x^3-2x)y' -(6x^2-2)y=0

I used a Taylor series expansion around x=0, and I got the general solution:

y=a_0(1-x^2+x^4-x^6+...)+a_1x

from the recurrence relation:

a_{n+2}=-\left[\frac{4n(n-1)-2n+2}{(n+2)(n+1)}\right]a_n-\left[\frac{3(n-2)(n-3)+6(n-2)-6}{(n+2)(n+1)}\right]a_{n-2}

Now it is clear that the two independent homogeoneous solutions are

y_1=1-x^2+x^4-x^6+... = \frac{1}{1+x^2}
y_2=x

and the radius of convergence of the series


y_1=1-x^2+x^4-x^6+...

is 1,

however,

using the recurrence relation I'm not being able to show that the radius of convergence of the series is indeed 1.

Can anyone help me to show this from the recurrence relation I obtained (I'm trying to use the ratio test, but I get another radius of convergence rather than 1)?
 
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In the theory of DE where should we compute the radius of convergence. Is it from

(a) the differential equation itself
(b) from the recurrence relation or from
(c) the series solutions ?

And do we expect the answers from (a) , (b) , and (c) equal ?
 
matematikawan said:
In the theory of DE where should we compute the radius of convergence. Is it from

(a) the differential equation itself
(b) from the recurrence relation or from
(c) the series solutions ?

And do we expect the answers from (a) , (b) , and (c) equal ?

O: I was always taught that it was from the recurrence relation . . . the recurrence relation is what defines the solution series itself, so wouldn't it be the same thing? And I've never considered computing the radius of convergence from the differential equation itself, unless its considering which points of the equation are regular and which are singular, and assuming that a series solution will converge from the point it's centered around until the nearest singular point of the equation . . . though I don't know why that's true, if it is true :P

Can you give me any references where I can read up about this and be able to answer your question, please?
 
I have no idea where should we compute the radius of convergence and I would also like to know about it. You could be right trying to compute it from the recurrence relation but it looks quite difficult to do it.

My opinion is that we compute the radius of convergence from the solution obtained.

What about from the DE itself ? If we write the given DE as
y\prime{} \prime{} + \frac{6x^3-2x}{3x^4+4x^2+1}y\prime{} -\frac{6x^2-2}{3x^4+4x^2+1}y=0

Since 3x^4+4x^2+1 \equiv (1+x^2)(1+3x^2) so the coefficients of the DE only converges for
-\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} < x < \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}

Or am I talking nonsense here
 
matematikawan said:
What about from the DE itself ? If we write the given DE as
y\prime{} \prime{} + \frac{6x^3-2x}{3x^4+4x^2+1}y\prime{} -\frac{6x^2-2}{3x^4+4x^2+1}y=0

Since 3x^4+4x^2+1 \equiv (1+x^2)(1+3x^2) so the coefficients of the DE only converges for
-\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} < x < \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}

Or am I talking nonsense here

The theorem says that the radius of convergence for the solution is at least the minimum radius of convergence of the coefficients. It can happen that the solution has larger radius of convergence. In this case, the solution x even has infinite radius of convergence.
 
g_edgar said:
The theorem says that the radius of convergence for the solution is at least the minimum radius of convergence of the coefficients. It can happen that the solution has larger radius of convergence. In this case, the solution x even has infinite radius of convergence.

That shed some light on the problem. So can I conclude that

i) we determine the radius of convergence from the final solution.

ii) the radius of convergence for the following DE are the same.

(3x^4+4x^2+1)y\prime{} \prime{} + (6x^3-2x)y' -(6x^2-2)y=0

y\prime{} \prime{} + \frac{6x^3-2x}{3x^4+4x^2+1}y\prime{} -\frac{6x^2-2}{3x^4+4x^2+1}y=0
 

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