Convert Your Car to Run on Water: Plans, Drawings, and Reviews"

[Danger]

Just build one, dude; it's a breeze. The one that I built for the Roadrunner just uses a solenoid valve (for switching fuel tanks on a truck) plumbed into the windshield washer line. A piece of aquarium hose goes to the air cleaner, where it terminates in a .030 Datsun carb jet aimed down the throat. Arming the system triggers the solenoid, and also cuts a pair of parallel-wired Hobbs vacuum switches into the pump motor circuit. A rheostat in series with the first switch allows for adjusting the flow rate during the initial stage of injection. When the vacuum drops to 3, the second switch comes in and bypasses the resistor for full flow. A couple of lights on the dash keep track of what's happening. The reservoir is full of methyl hydrate, which can still be used to clean the windshield as needed.
One thing to be careful about, though: too much flow can wash oil from the cylinder walls and result in excessive ring wear.

 

[brewnog]

Be careful using water injection to allow you to run higher boosts. A friend bent 3 sets of valves (and as a result got through 3 engines) trying to get the optimum flow.

 

[Dreamedideas]

I am not schooled in this area but have read a few articles in which describe three methods of using water as a fuel. One and the most well known is steam which has to be heated to create preasure, therefore inadequate for modern day uses. Another uses an alkali metal ceasium (a rare gold colored chemical element) that reacts explosively when exposed to water. But since ceasium is rare and very expensive, and since other alkalis takes so much energy to purify there is no reason to futher the studies. Another chemical that reacts to water is sodium but the problem with this is the toxic exhaust.

As far as using electrolysis to create hydrogen and oxygen for use as a fuel...I think that this is very possible but the drawback to this theory is the time and energy it would take to purify the water so that you wouldn't be corroding the catalyst with garbage which over a short period of time will lessen its effectiveness (which in turn will need an increasing amount of electricity to continue the process). And then the energy it would take to consistantly create enough hydrogen and or oxygen to produce enough combustion to keep a motor running would be very high. But the most interesting problem would be injection control and containment. By the way, think of the room it would take to successfully create a full functional finished product.

 

[Gokul43201]

Another uses either an alkali metal or ceasium (a rear gold colored chemical element) that reacts explosively when exposed to water. But since ceasium is rare and very expensive, and since alkalis takes so much energy to purify there is no reason to futher the studies. Another chemical that reacts to water is sodium but the problem with this is the toxic exhaust.

Both Cesium and Sodium are alkali metals.

As far as using electrolysis to create hydrogen and oxygen for use as a fuel...I think that this is very possible but the drawback to this theory is the time and energy it would take to purify the water so that you wouldn't be corroding the catalyst with garbage which over a short period of time will lessen its effectiveness (which in turn will need an increasing amount of electricity to continue the process).

Why would the water (steam, exhaust) be impure?

 

[Dreamedideas]

I was mearly suggesting that water contains suspended solids and suspended organic matter (COD/BOD) that when subjected to electricity will be scortched covering the catalyst with a film.

yes,(lol) cesium which is also spelled 'ceasium' is an alkali as well is sodium...

 

[Gokul43201]

Furthermore, using an electrolytic cell to make H2 and O2 from water, and then burning the H2 as a fuel gets you nowhere. You will not get out more energy from the combustion than it took to perform the electrolysis, so any claim to use an electrolytic cell followed by combustion as a feasible motor is bogus.

 

[Chris Hillman]

Surfing for ma'at?

Hi, saad,

hello every one
while surfing i came across this site
http://netmar.com/~maat/archive/feb2/carplans.htm

[...]

i would like all of you to help me and yourselves think about the savings we could make

i said i had just begun a mechanical engineering course
this water as a fuel does appear to be a myth hence the myth busters
and from the replies......i guess that water as a fuel will remain a dream

I hope you don't think we're picking on you because PF members expressed some surprise about your query.

Might I offer a few pointers to avoid being misled in future?

1. As you mentioned, it would be truly wonderful if there were a simple and effective solution to the world's energy problems. We have a saying in the U.S. (and no doubt other parts of the world), "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is". Basically, the greater the consequences if some claim were true, the more diligent you should be about checking into said claim.

2. A simple trick for websurfing: bookmark http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en and when you find a website like this, enter the domain name (and in this case, "maat" as an additional search word entered in the "exact phrase" pane), which should take you to this page, which should list almost everything the Google spider has found at "netmar.com/~maat": http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&..._sitesearch=netmar.com&as_rights=&safe=images. Now glancing just at the Google blurbs of the first few pages, it is evident that this is a "new age spirituality" site, not a science or engineering site. Such websites not infrequently feature the most absurd pseudoscience to be found anywhere, such as alleged "water cars". With a bit more googling, you can also see that the same author is associated with "drunvalo.net" and "spiritofmaat.com" (a New Age UFO/spirtuality type newsletter), and so on.

I often have trouble convincing my peers that websites like the one you found might pose a genuine threat to serious students who are genuinely misled. I'd like to cite this thread (it would be one of many examples), but unfortunately you used (I guess) your real name...well, please PM me if you have strong objections.

By the way, as some of you may already know, "ma'at" was one of the most "loaded" words in ancient Egyptian, with connotations of "truth", "justice", "rectitude" (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'at, which, as of early January actually seems pretty good, unlike many WP articles touching on subjects which have been rather hijacked by the "New Age" movement in the English speaking world. Speaking as someone who has studied Middle Egyptian in a desultory way.) In the context of promoting an idea which has led to fraud convictions in the U.S. (see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyers) this struck me as a fairly ironic circumstance.

 

[Manchot]

Put another way, the ground state energy configuration of a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen is what we call "water." By definition, you cannot get any energy from it without introducing other elements (e.g., sodium metal).

 

[jonbyrd]

Hi manchot
I don't understand why you people don't believe in the fact that water could be use as a fuel to run cars.From the technology developing in the todays world everything is possible

The electrolysis of water produces a Hydroxy gas that can be used a s a fuel.That is what called as a HHO fuel kit.

You know what,This not only help us also to save the cost of fuel but also increases the mileage .As the byproduct of the reaction that causes energy is H2O steam and unburnt O2, it will be doing the duty of cleaning up the environment rather than polluting it, as more oxygen is let out into the atmosphere. Thus making your engine calmer, quieter which will last longer and reducing your maintenance costs. It also Increases the gas mileage by at least 40% and boosts the performance of the car

I just came across this site [crackpot link deleted] when I was searching for this topic.There is a lot useful information in this.

Hope i will get a feedback from you people

 

[russ_watters]

Sorry, jon, we don't allow crackpottery here. You really need to learn some real science. What those sites claim is easily debunked with high-school level chemistry and physics.

That site even adds the extra crackpot claim that it exhausts oxygen!