Converting dependable variable to independant and vice versa

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical challenge of converting dependent variables to independent variables, specifically finding the variable x as a function of F in the context of two functions F1 and F2. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving using computational tools.

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  • One participant, Venkatesh, presents a function F defined as the product of two other functions F1 and F2 and seeks a method to express x as a function of F.
  • Another participant suggests multiplying the functions before attempting to solve for x, implying that this may simplify the problem.
  • A third participant provides a detailed algebraic manipulation of the functions, indicating that the resulting equation leads to a quartic polynomial in terms of x², but notes that the solution is complex and results in a large expression.
  • A later reply acknowledges the complexity of the solution but confirms that the approach is valid for solving the system.

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Participants appear to agree on the validity of the mathematical approach suggested, but there is no consensus on the simplicity or practicality of the resulting solution, as one participant notes the solution is "very huge."

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The discussion highlights the challenges of manipulating complex algebraic expressions and the potential computational difficulties encountered in finding explicit forms for variables.

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Is this possible to solve this analytically?

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Hello guys,
First of all, thanks for looking at this post and trying to help me.

I have function which is shown below,

F1= (ε1-√(1+(ε1 μ1-1)x^2))/(ε1+√(1+(ε1 μ1-1)x^2));
F2= (ε2-√(1+(ε2 μ2-1)x^2))/(ε2+√(1+(ε2 μ2-1)x^2));
F=F1*F2;
Here, F is a function of x --> F(x)
I need to find x(F) , x as a function of F. Is there any mathematical method for doing this.?
x(F1) and x(F2) is possible using mathematica and it is easy too. But i don't know how to find x(F).

I tried this in mathematica but it is not giving me any result.

Thanks,
Venkatesh
 
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can you mutliply them before asking computer to solve for x?
 
Writing as F1 = (a-√b)/(a+√b), F2 = (c-√d)/(c+√d),
F(a+√b)(c+√d) = (a-√b)(c-√d)
(F-1)(ac+√(bd)) = - (F+1)(a√d + c√b)
(F-1)2(a2c2+bd+2ac√(bd)) = (F+1)2(a2d+c2b+2ac√(bd))
(F-1)2(a2c2+bd) - (F+1)2(a2d+c2b) = 8Fac√(bd)
Squaring again produces a quadratic in b and d. The only x terms are in the form of x2 within b and d. There's an uncancelled b2d2 term and nothing higher, therefore the polynomial is a quartic in x2.
 
Yup. That works, but gives a very huge solution which can be used to solve my system.

Thank you very much.
 

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