Converting Functions: From y(x) to x(y) and the Algebra Behind It

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The discussion revolves around converting a function from the form y(x) to x(y), specifically examining the algebraic manipulation involved in this process. The original poster presents a function, y = 1/2x + ½, and seeks clarification on how to isolate x as a function of y.

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  • Participants explore various algebraic methods for isolating x in terms of y, questioning the steps taken and the equivalence of different manipulations. There is discussion about the impact of operations on the outcome and the interpretation of the original equation.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the algebraic steps necessary for the conversion, with some participants providing guidance on the operations involved. There is an acknowledgment of different approaches to the problem, and while some confusion remains, productive dialogue is ongoing.

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Participants express uncertainty about the algebraic rules and operations, particularly in relation to order of operations and the manipulation of variables. The original poster indicates a desire to strengthen their algebra skills through practice.

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going from x(y) to y(x), please help :)

If we have a function y=1/2x+½ how come if we isolate x as a function of y on a calculator we get x=2y-1??

i get the 2*y but not the -1
What algebra is needed to get from y(x) to x(y) in this case?
 
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Multiply the original equation by 2 and then subtract 1 from both sides.
y=½x+½
2y=x+1
x=2y-1
 


Woaa, i see :D
So normal algebra by isolating x instead of y, does not work when there are two variables?
 


How come i would get x=y/½ -½ if i use the regular add, subtract, multiply and divide operations?
 


christian0710 said:
How come i would get x=y/½ -½ if i use the regular add, subtract, multiply and divide operations?
According to the rules for order of operations,

y = 1/2x+½

is equivalent to

y = (1/2)x + ½ .
 


Hmm. I don't see the difference between the two steps (except for the brackets?)
 


What SammyS did is a perfectly normal operation.

You could also do it like this, keeping in mind that you'll get the same thing and that the other way is even easier.

y = (1/2)x + 1/2

y - 1/2 = (1/2)x

Now multiply both sides by two (note that this is the exact same thing as "dividing both sides by 1/2")

2y-1 = x

To show why dividing by 1/2 is the same thing:

[itex]\frac{\frac{1}{2}x}{\frac{1}{2}} = \frac{y}{\frac{1}{2}} - \frac{\frac{1}{2}}{\frac{1}{2}}[/itex]

Note that 1/2 divided by 1/2 is 1, so y divided by 1/2 is 2. Dividing by a fraction is equivalent to multiplying by the reciprocal of the fraction.
 


Ahh Now i see!
Thank you for the help, now I can continue on my double integral of 3-D shapes (I often forget the simple algebra so I'm trying to strengthen it by doing it all by hand) :)
 

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