Converting GD&T to BD&T for Mil Spec Design - Seeking Help and Suggestions

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of converting Geometric Dimensioning and Tolerancing (GD&T) specifications to Bilateral Dimensioning and Tolerancing (BD&T) for a part designed to military specifications (mil spec). Participants explore the implications of tolerancing schemes, particularly in the context of a rifle handguard design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in converting GD&T to BD&T and seeks assistance, specifically regarding the tolerances for the rails of the part.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the role and function of the part before applying tolerances, suggesting that excessive tolerancing could significantly increase costs.
  • A participant notes they do not have access to ASME Y14.5, which is a standard reference for GD&T, and indicates they have some tolerances in mind but struggle with the conversion process.
  • Questions are raised about the participant's understanding of true position tolerance and the implications of maximum material condition symbols.
  • A later reply explains true position tolerance as a complex concept that creates a circular zone around a theoretical point, suggesting that background knowledge in GD&T is necessary for proper understanding.
  • One participant provides a link to a resource for GD&T tips, encouraging further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the conversion process from GD&T to BD&T, and multiple competing views regarding the understanding and application of tolerancing remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the participant's lack of access to essential GD&T resources and the potential complexity of the tolerancing concepts involved, which may hinder effective conversion.

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Now that I've completed my first CAE course I'm attempting to design a part (to actually have built) using solidworks. I'm want to build this part to mil spec, problem is mil specs are given in GD&T and I only know BD&T.

I've been trying to convert the GD&T to BD&T so I can dimension and tolerance the part, but I haven't been having much sucess. I've even considered simply giving the machist the actual mil spec document (and letting him decifer it), but I would at least like to have the dimensions correct on my model.

So I'm looking for any help or suggestions about how to deal with this situation, or how to convert GD&T into BD&T. I would even be willing to pay if someone would take the time to do to conversions for me. It's a fairly simple design, and I'm sure it wouldn't take someone who knows GD&T very long to do.

To give you a better idea of what I'm working with I've attached a picture of my model so far, it is a handgaurd for a rifle. Also, here is a link to the mil specs (specifically for the rails): http://www.biggerhammer.net/picatinny/"

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Well, with any tolerancing scheme, we have to understand the role and function of the part. What are the important characteristics? I could GDT this thing until I am blue in the face and make the cost per part about a million and a half bucks.

I guess it would help if you gave us some ideas about the current tolerancing.

Do you have access to ASME Y14.5?
 
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No, I don't have access to ASME Y14.5. I thought my school library would have it but a quick search revelaed nothing.

I'm trying to tolerance the whole part as BD&T, not GD&T, so for most of the part I already know the tolerances I want and how to apply them. My issue is specifically about the "rails". Looking at the picture the rails are the four longitudional sections that at located at the top, bottom, and sides of the part.

To dimension and tolerance these rails I have found the military specifications for them, as linked to in my previous post. I think I have been able to convert the dimensions from GD&T to BD&T, but I am uncertain how to convert the tolerances.

So I know the tolerancing I want (mil spec) I just am uncertain how to convert the tolerancing from GD&T and BD&T.
 
Do you understand the concepts behind the true position tolerance? Do you know the implications of having the max material condition symbol on the tolerance?
 
FredGarvin said:
Do you understand the concepts behind the true position tolerance? Do you know the implications of having the max material condition symbol on the tolerance?

No, I do not.
 
To clairify from my 2nd post, I know that I want mil spec dimensions and tolerancing for the rail sections, but I do not know what those dimensions and tolerances are because the mil specs are given in GD&T and I don't understand GD&T.
 
True position is probably the toughest of GD&Ts because it can have a lot of others implied or wrapped up in a single tolerance. Essentially, the tolerance creates a circular zone around the theoretical perfect point where the feature is allowed to lie. There's a fair amount to it. I would highly suggest finding a GD&T book. Your library should have something...anything. There are some background materials you need to be familiar with in order to help you understand what is being toleranced.

Start here:
http://www.tec-ease.com/gdt-tips.htm
 
Thanks for the replies and the link Fred. I'll be working on it and see what I can come up with.
 

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