Convex Lenses: Determining Real/Virtual Images

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The discussion revolves around determining the nature of images produced by a system of two thin convex lenses when a small object is placed in front of them. Participants explore the concepts of real and virtual images in the context of lens optics.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the principal ray method to locate images produced by the lenses and questions the nature of these images. Some participants inquire about the conditions necessary for forming real or virtual images, while others discuss the implications of ray convergence and divergence in relation to lens placement.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the definitions of real and virtual images. There is an exploration of how the position of the object relative to the focal points of the lenses affects the type of image formed. Guidance is offered regarding the behavior of light rays after passing through the lenses, but no consensus has been reached on the specific outcomes for the scenarios presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the placement of the object in relation to the focal points of the lenses, as well as the implications of using different lenses in the system. There is an acknowledgment of uncertainty regarding the relevant equations and the specific configurations of the lenses involved.

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Homework Statement


Two thin convex lenses (1 and 2) and a small object are arranged as shown.

a) Use the three principal rays to determine the location of the image of the object produced by lens 1.
. Object
--------.F1---0(Thin lens 1)---.F1-----------.F2----0(Thin lens 2 - longer)---->F2-----------

b) Treat the image produced by lens 1 as an object for lens 2. Use the three principal rays to determine the location of the image of this object produced by lens 2.
Is this image produced by the pair of lenses real or virtual? Explain your reasoning.

c) Repeat parts a and b for the case in which lens 2 is replaced with a different lens (lens 3), as shown below.
.Object
----.F1--0(Thin lens 1)---.F1---.F3-------0(Thin lens 3 - longer)-------.F3------------------------

Is the image produced by the pair of lenses real or virtual? Explain your reasoning.

Homework Equations


Not quite sure of the relevant equations here.

The Attempt at a Solution


For part a, I would draw a parallelogram of principal rays and the location of the image object would be inbetween F1 and F2?

For part b, the location of the image object produced by lens 2 would be towards the right end of the page. It would be a real image.

For part c, I am unsure how my answer would differ from above, although I think it would be a virtual image.

Thanks in advance for your help! Better pictures are attached.
 

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First of all, what is the condition for a real or a virtual image to be formed?
 
A real image is a representation of an object (source) in which the perceived location is actually a point of convergence of the rays of light that make up the image. If a screen is placed in the plane of a real image the image will generally become visible on the screen.

A virtual image is an image in which the outgoing rays from a point on the object always diverge.
 
Exactly..
and for a convex lens, a virtual image is formed only when the object is placed between the lens and its focus.
Now after refraction from the first lens, where will the image be formed?
Remember, this image can behave as an object, because formation of a real image is actually the convergence of rays at a point. But after convergence the rays will continue to move in their own directions, thus making that point of convergence equivalent to a point source of light!

The basic essence of the solution to your problem is simple..
If the point where the rays converge after refraction through the first lens, don't lie beyond the focus of the second lens the final image will be real but if the point of convergence of rays after first refraction lies beyond the focus of the second lens, the image will be virtual.
 

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