Coordinate representation of the momentum operator

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The discussion centers on the coordinate representation of the momentum operator in quantum mechanics, particularly its relationship with the position operator. Participants explore the mathematical forms of these operators and their implications for diagonalization and commutation relations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the position operator as Xab=aδ(a-b) and the momentum operator as Pab=-ih∂aδ(a-b), questioning why the momentum operator appears diagonal despite not commuting with the position operator.
  • Another participant asserts that the momentum operator is incorrectly stated and proposes an alternative form, P_{ab} = e^{i(a-b)}, suggesting the need for scaling factors.
  • A later reply challenges the initial claim about the momentum operator's diagonal nature, stating that for an operator to be diagonal, it must be multiplied by a delta function.
  • One participant discusses the properties of distributions, arguing that the derivative of a delta function, ∂aδ(a-b), should be zero wherever δ(a-b) is non-zero, indicating a misunderstanding of distribution support.
  • Another participant elaborates on the nature of distributions, emphasizing that the support of the derivative of a distribution is distinct from that of the original distribution, and highlights the independence of delta functions and their derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct form of the momentum operator and its diagonalization properties. Multiple competing views remain on the interpretation of the operators and the mathematical implications of their representations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and properties of the operators discussed, particularly concerning the nature of delta functions and their derivatives in the context of quantum mechanics.

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The position operator in coordinate representation is:
Xab=aδ(a-b)
this is diagonal as expected

The momentum operator turns out to look like
Pab=-ih∂aδ(a-b)

Now, this is not supposed to be diagonal because it does not commute with X.
However it looks pretty diagonal to me.

What am I missing?
 
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The momentum operator is not what you wrote here. It is equal to:
P_{ab} = e^{i(a-b)}
with some scaling factors.
 
haael said:
The momentum operator is not what you wrote here. It is equal to:
P_{ab} = e^{i(a-b)}
with some scaling factors.

What exactly are you saying?

Anyone familiar with quantum mechanics in dirac notation?
 
MSLion said:
The position operator in coordinate representation is:
Xab=aδ(a-b)
this is diagonal as expected

The momentum operator turns out to look like
Pab=-ih∂aδ(a-b)

Now, this is not supposed to be diagonal because it does not commute with X.
However it looks pretty diagonal to me.

What am I missing?

I don't see how it looks diagonal. For something to be diagonal, it needs to be multiplied by a delta function. An example of a diagonal matrix is:

Oab=δ(a-b) f(a,b)

for arbitrary function f(a,b).

The delta function is essentially the identity matrix, and f(a,b) are the diagonal components.
 
From what I understood on distributions the support of the derivative of a distribution is contained within the support of the original distribution.

Therefore ∂aδ(a-b) should be zero wherever δ(a-b) is.
 
MSLion said:
From what I understood on distributions the support of the derivative of a distribution is contained within the support of the original distribution.

Therefore ∂aδ(a-b) should be zero wherever δ(a-b) is.

Distributions are supported on functions ##f(a)##, not on the domain of the functions themselves. Given a function ##f(a)##, we have ##\delta[f]=f(0)## and ## \delta'[f]=f'(0)##. These are generally not equal. The same argument can be made for delta functions which are shifted away from the origin.

##\delta'## is as independent of ##\delta## as an ordinary function is from its derivative. There's no unitary operator that can map one to another (for all test functions ##f##).
 

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