Undergrad Correctly Scaling the Standard Deviation for Scaled Measurements

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The discussion focuses on the correct method for scaling the standard deviation of flux density measurements when adjusting for different wavelengths in a light curve analysis. The scaling formula used is S_scaled = S ⋅ (3ν)^(-1/2), where S is the original flux density and ν is the frequency. Participants clarify that standard deviations should scale by the same factor as the measurements, leading to the formula Err_scaled = Err ⋅ (3ν)^(-1/2). The issue of increased error bars is attributed to potential errors in the frequency ν.

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I have a standard for each individual value in a set of data. After scaling this data, the standard deviations must be scaled as well.
We're working on a project that plots flux density of a light curve with respect to time. To do this, we had to scale data from different wavelengths so we had just the one variable for the flux. Essentially we took each value for flux density and multiplied it by three over the frequency raised -1/2 power..
Sscaled=S⋅(3nu)−12Sscaled=S⋅(3nu)−12Where S is our flux denisty, nu is the frequency, and S_scaled in the scaled flux density (what we're going to plot)

QUESTION: We know the standard deviation for each measurement of flux density and we also want to scale it accordingly. This is where I'm having trouble. I'm not familiar with how to properly scale standard deviation in this case. We're essentially multiplying each value by a different number. Would I simply multiply each value for standard deviation by the same factor? That would be,
Errscaled=Serr⋅(3nu)−12Errscaled=Serr⋅(3nu)−12Where S_err is the standard deviation for each measurement and Err_scaled is the scaled standard deviation

We tried this and it gave us pretty large error bars. Since I'm not sure this is the right formula, I wanted to sure this is the correct way to scale the standard deviation.
 
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Hello camilleon, :welcome: !

Can you typeset your equations ? It is impossible for me to deciper something like
Sscaled=S⋅(3nu)−12Sscaled=S⋅(3nu)−12

If I try to make sense I get something that may or may not be correct:
I type $$ S_{scaled}=\frac {S}{\sqrt{3\nu}}\quad ? $$ and get
$$ S_{scaled}=\frac {S}{\sqrt{3\nu}}\quad ? $$

If the error in ##\nu## is negligible, then the error in ##A## times ##S## is the error in ##A## times the error in ##S##

which may or may not be the expression you intended to post that came out as Errscaled=Serr⋅(3nu)−12Errscaled=Serr⋅(3nu)−12
(guidelines point 7)
 
camilleon said:
We tried this and it gave us pretty large error bars.
Were the error bars different before ?
 
Standard deviations scale by the same factor as the individual measurements.
 
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BvU said:
Hello camilleon, :welcome: !

Can you typeset your equations ? It is impossible for me to deciper something like

If I try to make sense I get something that may or may not be correct:
I type $$ S_{scaled}=\frac {S}{\sqrt{3\nu}}\quad ? $$ and get
$$ S_{scaled}=\frac {S}{\sqrt{3\nu}}\quad ? $$

If the error in ##\nu## is negligible, then the error in ##A## times ##S## is the error in ##A## times the error in ##S##

which may or may not be the expression you intended to post that came out as Errscaled=Serr⋅(3nu)−12Errscaled=Serr⋅(3nu)−12

Sorry, I copied and pasted this text from another forum and forgot to check the formatting for the equations here. The factor should have been $$\left(\frac 3 {nu}\right)$$ but very close.
I think the increase in the error bars is probably due to error in nu. Thank you!

(guidelines point 7)
 
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camilleon said:
raised -1/2 power..
Has disappeared now ? I figured it was to be deciphered from the "S⋅(3nu)−12 " :rolleyes:

Are you also going to make plots of things derived from ##S## with frequency on the x-axis ?

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copied and pasted this text from another forum
Link ?
 
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