Correlation between the cost to produce electricity and the cost to consumers?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the cost of electricity production and its impact on consumer prices. Participants explore various factors influencing electricity pricing, including generation methods like hydroelectricity and solar power, as well as market structures and capital costs. The conversation touches on theoretical and practical implications for consumers, particularly in different geographical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that lower production costs could lead to lower consumer prices, but emphasize that changes in one area often affect others, such as taxes and market structures.
  • One participant notes that in Germany, production costs account for approximately 20% of household electricity costs, indicating that the relationship is not straightforward.
  • Another point raised is the distinction between production costs and capital costs, with solar power having low production costs but significant capital costs associated with installation and financing.
  • It is mentioned that in the US, regulated utilities set prices to ensure a fixed return on capital, implying that reduced input costs could lower retail prices.
  • A participant introduces the idea that consumer behavior may also influence overall costs, suggesting that if electricity becomes cheaper, consumers might use more, potentially negating savings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between production costs and consumer prices, with no consensus reached. Some agree that lower production costs could help reduce consumer prices, while others highlight the complexity of the issue, including market dynamics and consumer behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various factors that influence electricity pricing, including capital costs, operational costs, and market structures, but do not resolve the complexities involved in these relationships.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying energy economics, policymakers, and consumers seeking to understand the factors affecting electricity pricing.

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Sorry if this is a bad question, but would lower costs to produce electricity (e.g. hydroelectricity instead of solar) bring down the overall costs for us consumers? Also, if there is any reading material or website on this topic, that would be really great too! Thanks!
 
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Typically: Yes. But you can rarely change one thing in isolation and nothing else (taxes, market structure, ...).
 
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Cheesycheese213 said:
Sorry if this is a bad question, but would lower costs to produce electricity (e.g. hydroelectricity instead of solar) bring down the overall costs for us consumers? Also, if there is any reading material or website on this topic, that would be really great too! Thanks!
This is a good question, as it affects everyone, particularly those on a limited income.

A summary for the US (2011) - https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/10/27/141766341/the-price-of-electricity-in-your-state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing

There are costs associated with generation (capital costs, operations and maintenance (O&M), taxes and fees, and fuel). In addition, there is the cost of transmission and distribution with associated costs of capital, O&M, taxes and fees.

Lower generation costs is a goal, while maximum profitability is a goal for the generator. Nevertheless reducing fuel costs would help lower cost in general.

Some discussion on energy generation in the US.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=electricity_in_the_united_states
 
Cheesycheese213 said:
would lower costs to produce electricity (e.g. hydroelectricity instead of solar) bring down the overall costs for us consumers?
That entirely depends on the structure of end user price of electricity in the given country.
For example in Germany the production cost takes ~ 20% of the household cost of electricity.
(source: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sit...rman-power-price-households-2017-and-2018.png )
 
There are two costs - the production and the capital cost. PV solar has essentially no production costs, but the electricity provider has to make a return on the capital cost of purchasing and installing the panels. The capital cost is driven not only by manufacturing costs, but interest rates and the cost of equity capital. For most in the US, electricity costs have declined along with the price of natural gas, which accounts for about 40% of electricity generation.

In the US regulated utilities set prices to earn a fixed return on their capital, so a reduction in overall input costs will reduce the retail price of electricity
 
Cheesycheese213 said:
bring down the overall costs for us consumers
If something is expensive, consumers would tend to use less of it to lower their overall cost. If it becomes less expensive, consumers may decide to use more, ending up with the same overall cost as before. Expensive being the price per unit, and "overall cost" being % of income. so it may not matter if those are the only qualifying conditions.

On the other hand, if the unit is something you depend upon then other relationships can apply. If you were charged per amount of air you breath in a day, how much control could you have on the overall cost, except to place limits upon physical exertion, which then extends to other areas of what you can accomplish per day.
 

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