Could a Wormhole and Black Holes be Used to Reverse the Big Bang?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the theoretical possibility of using wormholes and black holes to reverse the Big Bang, focusing on concepts of time travel, mass conservation, and gravitational effects. Participants engage with speculative scenarios and theoretical implications within the realms of physics and science fiction.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes creating a wormhole that connects two points in time, suggesting that black holes could be introduced to exponentially increase gravity and potentially reverse the Big Bang.
  • Another participant references a science fiction work that explores similar themes, implying that bold premises can lead to intriguing narratives.
  • A participant questions whether the feasibility of the idea is valid simply because it is mentioned in a fictional context.
  • Concerns are raised about the compatibility of black holes with wormholes, particularly regarding mass conservation and the implications of mass changes at the entrance and exit of the wormhole.
  • One participant discusses the implications of electric charge passing through a wormhole and the resulting stability issues, referencing a popular-level article by a physicist.
  • A question is posed about whether the scenario of negative mass wormholes would violate the positive energy theorem.
  • Another participant mentions a theoretical mechanism involving gravitational time dilation near massive objects, suggesting it could create a time and space machine.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of speculative ideas and concerns, with no consensus reached on the feasibility of using wormholes and black holes to reverse the Big Bang. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various assumptions regarding mass conservation, stability of wormholes, and the nature of gravitational effects, which are not fully resolved within the discussion.

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say I make a wormhole, a big one. that instead of connecting two places in space it connects two places in time. something that goes in one end comes out the other 1 second earlier. Then I throw in a black hole. which goes back in time and comes out the other end and now i have two black holes which go in and now I have four then eight etc. can I now reverse the big bang with all my extra gravity?
 
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so I can't do it because Mr. Sawyer says so?
 
I'm not sure how well a wormhole will accommodate a black hole.

As far as the energy conservation issues go, the entracne wormhole mouth will gain all the mass of anything that passes through it, and the exit wormhole mouth will lose that mass. So the total mass at both ends of the wormhole remains constant.

Thus if black holes could pass through wormholes without any problems (I don't know the answer to this, as I mentioned), on the exit side you'd have a large negative mass wormhole mouth together with a bunch of smaller positive mass black holes, but the total mass on the exit side of the wormhole before and after the emergence of the black holes wouldn't change.

Note: this implicitly assumes that you have an isolated section of the universe to play with, one that has an asymptotically flat space-time, so that you can measure the mass.

See for instance
http://www.npl.washington.edu/av/altvw69.html

If a positive electric charge Q passes through a wormhole mouth, the electric lines of force radiating away from the charge must thread through the aperture of the wormhole. The net result is that the entrance wormhole mouth has lines of force radiating away from it, and the exit wormhole mouth has lines of force radiating toward it. In effect, the entrance mouth has now been given a positive electric charge Q, and the exit mouth acquires a corresponding negative charge -Q. Similarly, if a mass M passes through a wormhole mouth, the entrance mouth has its mass increased by M, and the exit mouth has its mass reduced by an amount -M.

Note that this creates some stability issues, as Cramer goes on to discuss. Also note that while this article appeared in a science fiction magazine, it is a factual (popular-level) article by a professional physicist who also writes science fiction.
 
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pervect said:
on the exit side you'd have a large negative mass wormhole mouth together with a bunch of smaller positive mass black holes
Would the worm holes mouth not then violate the positive energy theorem?
 
I think physicists have postulated something like this for a long time. The basic mechanism would involve putting one "end" of a wormhole in a deep gravity well, such as very near a neutron star or black hole, where gravitational time dilation would pile up an offset between the two ends. When you get the right delay, then move the business end away from the neutron star/black hole, and you have an instant time--and space--machine
 

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