Could Solar Radiation Explain 'Oumuamua's Strange Trajectory?

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The discussion revolves around the unusual trajectory of 'Oumuamua, an interstellar object, and whether solar radiation could account for its observed path. Participants explore theories related to its physical characteristics, potential out-gassing, and even speculative ideas about its origin.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a study by Marco Micheli et al. indicating that 'Oumuamua was not following a purely gravitational path and was likely being pushed away from the sun.
  • Others highlight a paper by Shmuel Bialy and Abraham Loeb, suggesting that if 'Oumuamua is very thin, solar radiation could explain its trajectory.
  • One participant raises the possibility that 'Oumuamua could be an alien probe, referencing media coverage and suggesting a survey for lightsails in the Solar System.
  • Another participant cautions against jumping to conclusions about extraterrestrial origins, citing the complexity of understanding anomalies like the Pioneer anomaly.
  • Questions arise about the definition of 'thin' in the context of the Bialy and Loeb paper, with some participants speculating on the implications of surface area to mass ratios.
  • Further discussion includes considerations of materials that could fit the proposed characteristics of 'Oumuamua, such as aerogel.

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Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the solar radiation explanation while others remain skeptical or propose alternative theories, including the possibility of extraterrestrial origins. The discussion does not reach consensus on any single explanation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of definitive evidence for out-gassing and the ambiguity surrounding the physical characteristics of 'Oumuamua, particularly regarding its thickness and material composition.

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This past June, research by Marco Micheli et al was published in Nature:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0254-4/

The gist of this article is that 'Oumuamua, (aka 1L/2017 U1) 2017's interstellar asteroid, was not following a strictly gravitational path around the sun. There is practical certainty (30 sigma) that it was being pushed away from the sun during its transit. The out-gassing of comets causes them to be similarly pushed away from the sun, but there was no other indication that 'Oumuamua might be out-gassing. More specifically, out-gassing should have resulted in a change in 'Oumuamua's angular velocity and no such change occurred.

There is now a recent article by Shmuel Bialy and Abraham Loeb
https://arxiv.org/abs/1810.11490
They demonstrate that if 'Oumuamua is very thin, solar radiation could explain the observed trajectory - and that such an asteroid could have survived a trek to our Solar System.
 
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.Scott said:
There is now a recent article by Shmuel Bialy and Abraham Loeb
https://arxiv.org/abs/1810.11490
They demonstrate that if 'Oumuamua is very thin, solar radiation could explain the observed trajectory - and that such an asteroid could have survived a trek to our Solar System.
thanks, Scott

An interesting possibility :smile:Dave
 
Bwah! :oldsurprised: What! :oldsurprised:

Cigar-shaped interstellar object may have been an alien probe, Harvard paper claims [CNN]
Updated 10:47 AM ET, Tue November 6, 2018​

Wondering who on Earth would publish this, I found that they reference your referenced paper!:
.Scott said:
There is now a recent article by Shmuel Bialy and Abraham Loeb
https://arxiv.org/abs/1810.11490

Alternatively, a more exotic scenario is that ‘Oumuamua may be a fully operational probe sent intentionally to Earth vicinity by an alien civilization.
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A survey for lightsails as technosiganures in the Solar System is warranted, irrespective of whether ‘Oumuamua is one of them.

:bugeye:

Anyways, even if it's only a one in a bazillion chance, it's fun to think about. :oldsmile:
 
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Given how long it took to figure out the Pioneer anomaly, an object we knew all the details about, I'd wait a bit longer to proclaim "it's aliens!"...
 
.Scott said:
They demonstrate that if 'Oumuamua is very thin, solar radiation could explain the observed trajectory - and that such an asteroid could have survived a trek to our Solar System.
What do they mean by 'thin'? They talk about surface area to mass - does that mean they mean "thin-walled" - as in hollow?
 
DaveC426913 said:
What do they mean by 'thin'?

They seem to think about a paperborad with the same area density of ##{\textstyle{m \over A}} \approx 0.1{\textstyle{g \over {cm^2 }}}##. Of course this value doesn't necessarely mean that the thickness is in the range of millimeters. But even for a structure made of aerogel it would be not more than a meter.
 

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