Could there ever be a chromo-electric field weapon?

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The discussion centers on the concept of chromo-electric fields as depicted in Star Trek, specifically regarding their potential use as weapons or protective measures. Participants debate the scientific validity of these concepts, with references to quantum chromodynamics (QCD) and the strong nuclear force. The consensus leans towards the idea that while the terminology may sound plausible, it largely falls under the category of "treknobabble," lacking real scientific grounding. The conversation highlights the distinction between fictional science and established physics, emphasizing that Star Trek's writers do not employ physicists to create coherent scientific theories.

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In Star Trek, they mention a Chromo-electric pulse and Chromo-electric force field. I know chromo-electric fields hold the nuclear force together with gluons but could a highly advanced civilization use chromo-electric fields for weapons or protection?
 
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Maximum7 said:
In Star Trek, they mention a Chromo-electric pulse and Chromo-electric force field. I know chromo-electric fields hold the nuclear force together with gluons but could a highly advanced civilization use chromo-electric fields for weapons or protection?
Given 10,000 years or more it seems to me that technology could accomplish just about anything that we can imagine today and quite a few things that we can't. OK you skeptics, make it ten million years.
 
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Hornbein said:
Given 10,000 years or more it seems to me that technology could accomplish just about anything that we can imagine today and quite a few things that we can't. OK you skeptics, make it ten million years.
Ok but is there any way disrupting the chromo-electric field can be used as a weapon or deflector shield or is it just Star Trek technobabble?
 
Maximum7 said:
In Star Trek
Star Trek is famous for "treknobabble", outting together scientific sounding words that have no meaning other to advance the plot (or at least advance the clock). Only one of them is a "thing" so far as I know: the "baryon sweep". It's another name for "broom".
 
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Maximum7 said:
Ok but is there any way disrupting the chromo-electric field can be used as a weapon or deflector shield or is it just Star Trek technobabble?
Is it something like this you're looking for?
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Are you sure it’s “chromo” and not “chrono”? I definitely recall lots of treknobabble about chrono this, chrono that, etc, largely revolving around a “chroniton” particle. If memory serves, chronitons dealt with time travel-esque phenomena.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Star Trek is famous for "treknobabble", outting together scientific sounding words that have no meaning other to advance the plot (or at least advance the clock). Only one of them is a "thing" so far as I know: the "baryon sweep". It's another name for "broom".
Someone on Discord told me that disrupting the chromo-electric field could have devastating results for anyone in the vicinity
 
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Is it something like this you're looking for?
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No but this is cool! Thanks for sharing
 
Flyboy said:
Are you sure it’s “chromo” and not “chrono”? I definitely recall lots of treknobabble about chrono this, chrono that, etc, largely revolving around a “chroniton” particle. If memory serves, chronitons dealt with time travel-esque phenomena.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Chromoelectric_pulse
 
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Maximum7 said:
Someone on Discord
Well, I'm certainly not going to argue with an authority like that!
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Well, I'm certainly not going to argue with an authority like that!
Well unless your a physicist; he’s in the same boat as you. A person replying on a science forum. And I happen to have spoken to this individual and he seems to know a lot about science
 
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Maximum7 said:
Well unless your a physicist
<giggle>
 
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Maximum7 said:
Well unless your a physicist;
LOL, seriously? Let me give you a little tip about discussion forums -- each user will generally have a Profile that you can access by clicking on their avatar (twice). Once you are in their Profile page, you can click the "About" tab to see more about their background (assuming that they have filled that information out).

How about you click on V50's avatar and have a look at his Profile/About page. Lordy.
 
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berkeman said:
LOL, seriously? Let me give you a little tip about discussion forums -- each user will generally have a Profile that you can access by clicking on their avatar (twice). Once you are in their Profile page, you can click the "About" tab to see more about their background (assuming that they have filled that information out).

How about you click on V50's avatar and have a look at his Profile/About page. Lordy.
Typically I don’t look at peoples pages. Vanadium50 frequently likes to answer my hypothetical questions with a sardonic “sneer” in his voice and his intentions are more to talk down to me than to answer my questions. Also I once told him that Isaac Arthur (YouTube futurist and established physicist) about saying something and he basically didn’t think it was from a reputable source. I can’t remember what the thing entailed but I remember the profile name and he frequently is sarcastic
 
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Maximum7 said:
Ok but is there any way disrupting the chromo-electric field can be used as a weapon or deflector shield or is it just Star Trek technobabble?
We can't realistically expect the physicists of 2354 to use exactly the same terminology of today. I expect the chromo-electric field refers to

Quantum chromodynamics (QCD) is the study of the strong interaction between quarks mediated by gluons. Quarks are fundamental particles that make up composite hadrons such as the proton, neutron and pion. QCD is a type of quantum field theory called a non-abelian gauge theory, with symmetry group SU(3). The QCD analog of electric charge is a property called color. -- Wikipedia

Let's suppose the strong force could be nullified in matter. The atomic nuclei would disintegrate into quarks. This reaction is very strongly unfavored, meaning this would absorb a great deal of energy. Presumably this is supplied by the weapon. The radical decrease in density of the target composed of iron or whatever would result in a terrific explosion. Once the quarks escaped the nullification they would recombine, releasing some of that stupendous input energy and wreaking more havoc.
 
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Maximum7 said:
. Vanadium50 frequently likes to answer my hypothetical questions with a sardonic “sneer” in his voice and his intentions are more to talk down to me than to answer my questions.
No, but he has noticed that you really don't like hearing the answer "no, it's not possible".

You have shifted your position, though. Originally it was that you could pay attention to Junior on YouTuve and Scooter on Discord instead of PF because none of us are actual physicists, Then when you found out that there are actual physicists here, you shifted to something more akin to "Tell me this science fiction concept is true because the alternative hurts my feelings."

I repeat - the Star Trek writers are putting scientific-sounding words together to advance the plot. They do not have an army of physicists on retainer to make a coherent and plausible future science.

Dilithium is not a real substance. Traveling really fast does not turn people into lizards. Infinite loops do not cause computers to explode. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Now..."get this cheese to sickbay!"
 
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The drawing kinda sucks but here's a pretty sarcastic recap of the early Star Trek episodes.

One of my favorite quotes:

"Gary's vaguely defined power that can't be quantified is increasing geometricallly!".
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Infinite loops do not cause computers to explode.
It wasn't an infinite loop, it was Godelian paradox.
 

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